Was out backpacking over the weekend (10-17-20) in the Sawtooths - slept on snow at '8500 feet in my Weastern Mountaineering Alipinlite (which is rated at 20 degrees). Shelter was a Integral Designs Mega Sola (Single wall bivy/tent) and pad was a Thermarest Prolite Apex (R value 3.8) . I put my Arc'Teryx Cerium LT down jacket over my chest, and slept in a heavy baselayer and wool socks. I was just warm enough. This was for sure the bleeding edge of use for this bag in those conditions, but it worked. I would say for me a 5 or 10 degree WM bag would cover all of my needs in the Stanley area up through the end of October. Much later and I would suggest a 0 degree, or warmer bag for sleeping in a tent or unheated trailer. I would also assume that a higher R-value pad would give me another 5 degrees or so on my 20 degree rated WM bag (or any of my others).