Wanting a new rifle. Kimber or build my own?

[JohnyRingo]

Which model of Montana is it that only weighs roughly 6 lbs? The lightest one I could find weighs 7.5-7.75 lbs.

 

[16Bore]

Here's a 270, LW's, 6x42 CDS

 

[luke moffat]

There is one of mine. Actually took another oz off of that weight since I took this pic. But 4 pounds 13 oz with QD scope mounts, a front sight, and a peep isn't too shabby. I believe its 4 pound 10 or 11 oz naked.





QD mounts/Rings aren't light and the barrel band front sight is also adding some weight. I believe if I want back to simple talleys I would be down below 5 pounds 8 oz scoped again, but I don't honestly see using a scope on this gun anymore when I have a Kimber Montana in 338-06 that is 4 pounds 14 oz naked....just 4 oz more and a lot more HAMMER than my .308. So the .308 is resigned as a back up gun and might be getting a rebore in the new future.

 

[16Bore]

Damn if I'd ever put open sights on a Montana, but damn if that doesn't look cool as hell..

 

[16Bore]

308?

 

[AK Troutbum]

There is one of mine. Actually took another oz off of that weight since I took this pic. But 4 pounds 13 oz with QD scope mounts, a front sight, and a peep isn't too shabby. I believe its 4 pound 10 or 11 oz naked.





QD mounts/Rings aren't light and the barrel band front sight is also adding some weight. I believe if I want back to simple talleys I would be down below 5 pounds 8 oz scoped again, but I don't honestly see using a scope on this gun anymore when I have a Kimber Montana in 338-06 that is 4 pounds 14 oz naked....just 4 oz more and a lot more HAMMER than my .308. So the .308 is resigned as a back up gun and might be getting a rebore in the new future.

You definitely got me beat Luke, that is one super light weight set up you got there.
Here's my .300wsm w/LW Talley's and Swaro Z6 2.5-15X44 HD

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[luke moffat]

You definitely got me beat Luke, that is one super light weight set up you got there.
Here's my .300wsm w/LW Talley's and Swaro Z6 2.5-15X44 HD

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HAHA yeah, I had a 300WSM and just could never like it. Feels too "fat" around the action for my small girly man hands.

I much prefer the 338-06 I have on the 84L platform compared the the WSM 8400 I had. 180 grain accubonds at 3050 fps out of the 300 WSM vs 210s scriccos at 2800 fps out of the 338-06 is only hitting with 40 FPE less at 1000 yards and doing it while making a entrance hole that is over 20% larger to between with.

Couple that with the fact that its over 3/4 of a pound lighter, holds one more in the magazine, and does all that with a barrel that is 2" shorter and handier made for a quick decision for me to sell of the 300 WSM Montana I had....it was outclassed in nearly every aspect for my particular uses. Plus it shoots 250 Swift A Frames at 2500 fps which is more than plenty for brown bear too. I really don't see the need for any other big game rifle for my uses here in Alaska unless I want to get a heavy longer range gun just for tinkering with and use on non-backpacking trips where ultralight rifles aren't needed.

Here it is with a 17 oz Leupold VX-6 2-12X42

 

[JohnyRingo]

That was my bad. I didn't read close enough. I thought you guys were talking about a Montana Arms rifle, not the Kimber Montana rifle. The Montana Arms company doesn't have anything that lightweight.

 

[JP100]

I am not sure you can call twice the price including suppressor not that much more than a Kimber at least here. They must really screw you NZ folks over for them.

A basic Montana here is nearly 3k

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[luke moffat]

A basic Montana here is nearly 3k

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Wow thats robbery!!! Might as well get a NULA at that price.

 

[Schnee's]

Inletting sucks and mine look like they had termites. Small sample of four. Never met anyone that preferred them over McMillan.

But dats just me....

Oh, I would prefer a McMillan over a B&C any day, but budget doesn't always allow for a $600 stock. I usually find myself spending too much on glass for a build and then trying to figure out a decent stock without breaking the bank.

 

[skindaddy]

been considering a kimber have quite a few ques. to add
1. i know nothing about bolt styles what exactly is crf? i have an abolt and a xbolt are they similar?
2. are talley rings suppose to be real good?
3. i keep hearing change style of shooting for better groups for these guns? couple examples please
last a big one
4. advantages or disadvantages between the mountain ascent and the adiornack ? better range maybe with the MA i think longer barrel.

 

[gdog]

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[16Bore]

Love Talleys

Hold the hell onto it, snappy & jumpy but the stock really soaks up recoil.

Don't think the additional cost of either is worth it over the Montana, unless that's just what you want then go for it.

 

[AK Troutbum]

I'll speak to what I know. First off, question #1, no. Browning's are push feeds and they differ from a controlled round feed in that, the round is controlled by the bolt claw, basically grabbing it as you push/slide the bolt forward and load the round. Some folks like that, some don't.
Question #2, yes. Light weight Talley's are very well-made (IMO) and are, I think, the lightest on the market.

Question #3,I Don't Know about.

Question #4, I think it's just a matter of preference. Obviously the MA has a longer barrel, muzzle brake, & different camo pattern on the stock. Accuracy is more than likely better for longer range shots, velocities will be higher secondary to the longer barrel, but it won't pack as easily do to the longer barrel.


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[Stid2677]

The Adirondack is smaller in every way, a down sized version. Mine is still plenty accurate out to 600, but on game I limit myself to 400 or so. I have shot mine a lot banging steel and it performed well on game too.

 

[skindaddy]

not sure if i would like the crf as im am used to push feed with what i own now

to me it seems like i would prefer a little more weight on ring bases if they were alot stronger and better made. of course not sure what that would be anyway.
i have always used leupold bases for my leupold scopes.

seeing the 2 sided by side is a huge diff in length in my thinking me myself might shoot the longer better as would take a second longer to get on target, not whipping up that little thing and yanking trigger like i see myself doing.

 

[Stid2677]

To each their own, but buying a uber light rifle and putting heavy rings and scope on it, is counter productive. I have never had any Talley lightweight scope mounts fail or give any issues. I can't say the same for luppy rings.

 

[Daniel_M]

6#11oz. Talley UL over a Leopold 3-9

Run a few hundred rounds down it. Lapped the rings when I set the scope and torqued to spec with loctite including the action screws. Been dragging this rifle all over the place the past 2 seasons, even dropped it a few times.

I don't think accuracy has been effected since I just punched this target a few weeks back. This was new, never sighted before boxed ammo.

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