Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the replies and the couple of PMs I've received. I've spent probably 30 nights over the last few years in a wall tent that my buddy had. It is the 16 X 20 Davis. Anywhere from 6 guys down to 3, Colorado 3rd season and 7 days of nasty Montana weather. It was cozy, especially since he insists on getting up to keep the fire going

. Both brands seem good. I like the gromets on the Davis and being local, I'm struggling to see much added value in WTS. A little cheaper, but somewhat negligible. First world problems I guess. I'm certainly not rich, but this may be a long term investment.
Now to maybe even more controversial questions.
The tent would be just my wife and I 60% of the time, add in son 20%, son and buddy 10%, and me solo probably 10%. I may have an opportunity at a 12 X 14' Davis, traditional pole setup, with stove, for $1K. I'm a bit worried about size. Anyone ever fit 4 adults in a 12 X 14? I know it wouldn't be ideal for a long period, but for 4 nights or so with cots and stove?
My other thing is I'd really like an internal frame to get rid of the pole in the middle. Anyone set up an internal frame solo, in particular a 14 X 16? If I buy new I'm probably going this route from a size perspective.