Vivo forest tracker esc durability

There she goes. Not even close to laced tight, ever. We will see what Vivo says about the warranty. It’s a 6 month warranty, and I’m at 7 months and a week, of course.

Related note, the leather and sole of the boot is not cactus-safe. I got several through the leather and one through the arch of the boot. Super fun.
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There she goes. Not even close to laced tight, ever. We will see what Vivo says about the warranty. It’s a 6 month warranty, and I’m at 7 months and a week, of course.

Related note, the leather and sole of the boot is not cactus-safe. I got several through the leather and one through the arch of the boot. Super fun.
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Looks like an easy fix? Prob cheaper to fix yourself vs mailing them in.
 
Looks like an easy fix? Prob cheaper to fix yourself vs mailing them in.
Possibly. I think the real question is, why do I have to repair it? For a boot that expensive, should it be failing, shouldn’t it be addressed as a common known failure, and shouldn’t they be extending repairs for the life of the boot for those failures? This is the second pair (different boot type, the other was a woman’s variant of the tracker) with a similar failure. They have a known design problem that results in the same failure point that they aren’t addressing. Perhaps they will extend a warranty repair to me, but it won’t mean much knowing it’s going to happen again.
 
There she goes. Not even close to laced tight, ever. We will see what Vivo says about the warranty. It’s a 6 month warranty, and I’m at 7 months and a week, of course.

Related note, the leather and sole of the boot is not cactus-safe. I got several through the leather and one through the arch of the boot. Super fun.
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I’m curious what kind of cactus you had get through the sole? I’ve had spines go through the leather, but not the sole. I’m about 500-600 miles in on a pair and am noticing the sole is thinner and more flexible than it used to be. Getting to the point where I can see a mesquite spine might get through. Have a new pair in the closet that I haven’t broken out yet. If you are getting sole punctures you can cut out a 1/4” leather insole to fit for some extra protection. That won’t help on the busted eyelet though.
 
I’m curious what kind of cactus you had get through the sole? I’ve had spines go through the leather, but not the sole. I’m about 500-600 miles in on a pair and am noticing the sole is thinner and more flexible than it used to be. Getting to the point where I can see a mesquite spine might get through. Have a new pair in the closet that I haven’t broken out yet. If you are getting sole punctures you can cut out a 1/4” leather insole to fit for some extra protection. That won’t help on the busted eyelet though.
Good old fashioned prickly pear. It went between the treads. I can see mesquite or yucca easily going through too. The leather I wouldn’t call any more of a barrier than a pair of tennis shoes. I spent all my time head down worrying about stepping on or kicking another cactus after the first time.
 
Good old fashioned prickly pear. It went between the treads. I can see mesquite or yucca easily going through too. The leather I wouldn’t call any more of a barrier than a pair of tennis shoes. I spent all my time head down worrying about stepping on or kicking another cactus after the first time.
I wear mine 3-5 days per week in the desert here. They have hundreds of miles on them just in desert terrain.

Jumping cactus sticks to them but almost never penetrates. Downed ocotillo and cats claw scratch it but don’t penetrate.

Very large mesquite thorns can penetrate the sides but very rarely the soles. Unless you get something right between tread spots it’s very rare for anything to truly puncture through the tread and stick you.
 
My Vivo boots have held up for three years without issue (except wear to the soles).
If you want a full leather, zero-drop, replaceable sole boot, check out Jim Green boots (barefoot line ). I have the low cut barefoot African Rangers (there are taller African Troopers), and they are great! Not as nimble as Vivos, but the sole is flexible, and being all leather, they will probably last forever.
 
Good old fashioned prickly pear. It went between the treads. I can see mesquite or yucca easily going through too. The leather I wouldn’t call any more of a barrier than a pair of tennis shoes. I spent all my time head down worrying about stepping on or kicking another cactus after the first time.
Seems like there is some probability that you can hit the bulls-eye with a 90-degree hit between the lugs anytime. I have not had issues with prickly pear penetrating the soles of mine yet and they’ve been in the Chihuahuan, Sonoran, Mohave, Great Basin, and Colorado River Deserts this year, plus a lot of mesquite country in the southern high plains. I have poked jumping/teddy bear cholla and prickly pear through the leather uppers. Don’t know what to say about that. You might avoid that if you are wearing armored footwear, but doing so creates other problems. I have not had cactus be a giant issue for me in my last 14 months of wearing the Tracker ESCs, but have and continue to deal with issues from wearing stiff boots with narrow toes for the last 30 years. I think it’s a pick your poison sort of thing. For me, I’ll take an occasional poke.
 
Seems like there is some probability that you can hit the bulls-eye with a 90-degree hit between the lugs anytime. I have not had issues with prickly pear penetrating the soles of mine yet and they’ve been in the Chihuahuan, Sonoran, Mohave, Great Basin, and Colorado River Deserts this year, plus a lot of mesquite country in the southern high plains. I have poked jumping/teddy bear cholla and prickly pear through the leather uppers. Don’t know what to say about that. You might avoid that if you are wearing armored footwear, but doing so creates other problems. I have not had cactus be a giant issue for me in my last 14 months of wearing the Tracker ESCs, but have and continue to deal with issues from wearing stiff boots with narrow toes for the last 30 years. I think it’s a pick your poison sort of thing. For me, I’ll take an occasional poke.
I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to make a near barefoot boot with reinforced sides and a more robust sole. A 90% barefoot solution would solve a ton of issues. And for the love of everything sacred, make a work boot with a steel toe.
 
I wear mine 3-5 days per week in the desert here. They have hundreds of miles on them just in desert terrain.

Jumping cactus sticks to them but almost never penetrates. Downed ocotillo and cats claw scratch it but don’t penetrate.

Very large mesquite thorns can penetrate the sides but very rarely the soles. Unless you get something right between tread spots it’s very rare for anything to truly puncture through the tread and stick you.
I know how much you run around the desert, and it’s hard to believe after my first time with cactus, that I got a tread puncture before you did! There is a lot of “between the lug” real estate on these boots. Mine went right through here:

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I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to make a near barefoot boot with reinforced sides and a more robust sole. A 90% barefoot solution would solve a ton of issues. And for the love of everything sacred, make a work boot with a steel toe.
There are a lot more options out there now than their used to be. But you lost me at reinforced sides and steel toes.
 
I use this method and never have a problem with them coming untied. In fact, this is pretty much the only way I tie my shoelaces on any shoes these days.

Ian's Shoelace Site – Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot https://share.google/eLOYCYYmgn1UwtQo2
I tried Ian's Secure Schoelace Knot for a couple days.

Then I tried just adding a second loop with the first loop you grab and like it better.

It turns it into this knot, just tied a different way:


It's been working out for a few weeks now and it's faster to tie than Ian's knot and easy to complete without looking at your feet.
 
I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to make a near barefoot boot with reinforced sides and a more robust sole. A 90% barefoot solution would solve a ton of issues. And for the love of everything sacred, make a work boot with a steel toe.
You’re going to like the Jim greens then. They make a safety tow version of the barefoot ranger as well.

They just come with a garbage outsole, but are stitch down construction and can be resoled.
 
I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to make a near barefoot boot with reinforced sides and a more robust sole. A 90% barefoot solution would solve a ton of issues. And for the love of everything sacred, make a work boot with a steel toe.
Aron Snyder has mentioned hes working on a Barefoot style boot. Hopefully it is this
 
I really like my trackers. Having said that, if they could make a version with a slightly thicker sole and some type of rubber Rand I’d really love em. Sometimes you step on a golf ball sized rock or sharp stick with a 100lb pack and it’s not the best lol. A little more protection on the sides for water and sharp brush would be worth while for me too. Just a little heavier and a little less flexable wouldn’t be the end of the world. And also better laces/eyelets. These just don’t have that nice smooth cinch down like some boots do.
 
I replaced the laces on my Vivo's with stretch cord with the slide lock, pretty awesome, I really do not tighten them much anyway so a quick pull and there good to go.
 
I've only recently gotten into wearing vivos with the forest esc but have been working well for me so I ordered the leather AT's for daily work wear when I don't need nor want waterproof. Really wish I could find a pair of the desert esc especially for the extra height to keep debris out.
I've been wearing the belleville minimalists for 2-3 years and they're a durable option, at least the upper is. I've never had any issues except wearing out the sole, which is considerably thinner and less aggressive. They are super lightweight and much more affordable than the vivos. the leather portions on the upper is decent against cactus but the sole is definitely NOT. I don't think there's anything very close to barefoot performance that's going to deter the mesquite thorns I have to deal with at work (Argentine mesquites are evil, honey mesquite is pretty close second) ...we use steel anti-puncture insoles for these.

I really want to like the Jim Greens and while I can't point to any fault in construction somehow they just don't work for my aching right foot troubles. They actually seem VERY well constructed and the leather seems better quality than any other I've tried. The vivos just somehow are much more comfortable by the end of the day.
 

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