Vapor Trail

[Ears]

Hey y'all.

I've been on here for awhile, but just recently started actively participating.

If any of y'all have any questions on Vapor Trail products ever, just let me know!!

I'm the General Manager for the company, and I do all of the rest design/manufacturing/assembly/troubleshooting/etc. I also build custom strings in the busy season, and do about everything else I can. Meaning, I can answer any in-depth technical questions you may have on any of our products.

I'm here to help with anything, and I'm always willing to!

 

[OR Archer]

Well I’ll give you some constructive feedback on the Gen7 from a dealer/end user.
1. On the manufacturer specific rest the elevation adjustment needs to be separate from the mounting screw. That’s just not a good design. The regular mount isn’t that way so I’m not sure why it was done on the bow specific rests.
2. For the price point it should offer micro adjustments for wind age and elevation like other comparable price point rests.

Other than those two minor gripes the rest works great. Tunes really well and has been a very reliable option for guys.

 

[Ears]

The bow-specific mounts don't have separate elevation adjustment for a couple of reasons:

1. The purpose of the mount was to get the rest closer to the shelf/riser. In order to do so, the elevation adjustment needed to be moved. On mainly Hoyt risers, if I added in a separate elevation, the rest would not fit on some of the models at all. Kind of a give/take decision there, but as mentioned below, I had sales history to solidify the decisions.

2. Negating the separate elevation bracket also negated a whole machined part and a whole bolt assembly. This reduced weight, and the risk of a bolt not being tightened, etc. It is more of an "exact fit". There are only two main bolts instead of three. To me, I like less moving parts.

I agree that it does take just a bit more initial tinkering to figure out the first time or two, but overall we've had a good reception. I would have never done this had we received a lot of negative feedback from the original Pro-V Mathews-specific rest. Those sales began to skyrocket once people understood the advantages, and lots of our dealers immediately requested those versions of the Gen 7.

It takes some getting used to, but once people see the benefits, they usually understand. I obviously set up a ton of them, and they don't take much at all to get installed. Really no longer than the standard version for me, but I do a ton of them testing, etc. The beauty of the rest is you don't even HAVE to have it set up EXACTLY correct for it to shoot perfect. The forgiving platform corrects small setup/shooter errors in most instances. Not everyone is a fan of everything, but we're doing the best we can to accommodate everyone's requests.

As far as price point, we do everything we can to keep the prices as low as possible. In fact I was making calls today just to reduce cost on fasteners for products I have prototyping right now. Every penny counts, and multiplies on the back end. Even a 6 cent reduction in a fastener is huge for me. I would assume any reputable manufacturer could probably take our dealer/retail pricing, work backwards, and figure out within a few dollars what our total finished cost of goods is on manufacturing. If we were to have everything done overseas, I could probably have it retail at $100. But I refuse to move things overseas. Everything we do is machined 6061 aluminum and brass in Minnesota. No plastic. No outsourced manufacturing.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep your eyes open for next year's products.

 

[4ester]

Welcome to Rokslide.

Been using my Pro-V since 2011, and a Limb Driver Pro before that. Great rests.


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[Sorry slinger]

I have had two string failures in the past 8 month on a bowtech carbon Icon, the first was a two year old string, so was probably my fault for not replacing it. the second was a 2 month old string with cause limb and cam breakage that neither your company nor bowtech (which was not their problem really at all) would stand behind and warranty, so it ended up costing me 1000.00 dollars on a new bow. I will be using a different string maker from here on out.

 

[OR Archer]

The bow-specific mounts don't have separate elevation adjustment for a couple of reasons:

1. The purpose of the mount was to get the rest closer to the shelf/riser. In order to do so, the elevation adjustment needed to be moved. On mainly Hoyt risers, if I added in a separate elevation, the rest would not fit on some of the models at all. Kind of a give/take decision there, but as mentioned below, I had sales history to solidify the decisions.

2. Negating the separate elevation bracket also negated a whole machined part and a whole bolt assembly. This reduced weight, and the risk of a bolt not being tightened, etc. It is more of an "exact fit". There are only two main bolts instead of three. To me, I like less moving parts.

I agree that it does take just a bit more initial tinkering to figure out the first time or two, but overall we've had a good reception. I would have never done this had we received a lot of negative feedback from the original Pro-V Mathews-specific rest. Those sales began to skyrocket once people understood the advantages, and lots of our dealers immediately requested those versions of the Gen 7.

It takes some getting used to, but once people see the benefits, they usually understand. I obviously set up a ton of them, and they don't take much at all to get installed. Really no longer than the standard version for me, but I do a ton of them testing, etc. The beauty of the rest is you don't even HAVE to have it set up EXACTLY correct for it to shoot perfect. The forgiving platform corrects small setup/shooter errors in most instances. Not everyone is a fan of everything, but we're doing the best we can to accommodate everyone's requests.

As far as price point, we do everything we can to keep the prices as low as possible. In fact I was making calls today just to reduce cost on fasteners for products I have prototyping right now. Every penny counts, and multiplies on the back end. Even a 6 cent reduction in a fastener is huge for me. I would assume any reputable manufacturer could probably take our dealer/retail pricing, work backwards, and figure out within a few dollars what our total finished cost of goods is on manufacturing. If we were to have everything done overseas, I could probably have it retail at $100. But I refuse to move things overseas. Everything we do is machined 6061 aluminum and brass in Minnesota. No plastic. No outsourced manufacturing.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep your eyes open for next year's products.

You’re price point is just fine. I was merely pointing out I’d like the rest to be micro adjustable like other rests in that same price.
As far as set up that’s not an issue. It’s in tuning if I need to make minor adjustments the elevation adjustment can be a little bit of a pain. Like I said they’re very minor gripes. I like the rest and so do our customers.

 

[LineandBuck]

My wife and son have the Pro V, I was running the Gen7 for a few months, I really liked it in the beginning but I've since moved to the Ripcord Lok for the simple fact that I can lock it up giving better (quieter) containment of the arrow. Walking/moving with an arrow nocked was noisier than I liked, I'd love to see that feature in a vapor trail in the future.

 

[Gumbo]

I have had two string failures in the past 8 month on a bowtech carbon Icon, the first was a two year old string, so was probably my fault for not replacing it. the second was a 2 month old string with cause limb and cam breakage that neither your company nor bowtech (which was not their problem really at all) would stand behind and warranty, so it ended up costing me 1000.00 dollars on a new bow. I will be using a different string maker from here on out.

Bummer. I've had bad luck with the last two sets of strings and cables I've owned in terms of peep rotation and serving separation on cables, thankfully no catastrophic failures though. As with bow tuning, I've decided if you want it done to your specs you need to do it yourself. So here I type waiting for some new threads to stretch. At least if I have problems with strings and cables from here on out I won't have anyone else to blame but myself. Hopefully I don't blow up my bow too!

 

[Ears]

I have had two string failures in the past 8 month on a bowtech carbon Icon, the first was a two year old string, so was probably my fault for not replacing it. the second was a 2 month old string with cause limb and cam breakage that neither your company nor bowtech (which was not their problem really at all) would stand behind and warranty, so it ended up costing me 1000.00 dollars on a new bow. I will be using a different string maker from here on out.

Sorry to hear!!! If you'd like to chat with me about it, just give me a call at the shop!!! We stand behind everything we do. Sounds like there may have been something else going on if you had two sets break on the same bow in that short of amount of time. I'll definitely take care of you if I can though!

 

[Ears]

You’re price point is just fine. I was merely pointing out I’d like the rest to be micro adjustable like other rests in that same price.
As far as set up that’s not an issue. It’s in tuning if I need to make minor adjustments the elevation adjustment can be a little bit of a pain. Like I said they’re very minor gripes. I like the rest and so do our customers.

And I appreciate you sir!! Always have!

 

[Ears]

My wife and son have the Pro V, I was running the Gen7 for a few months, I really liked it in the beginning but I've since moved to the Ripcord Lok for the simple fact that I can lock it up giving better (quieter) containment of the arrow. Walking/moving with an arrow nocked was noisier than I liked, I'd love to see that feature in a vapor trail in the future.

A lot of options out there, but I elect to keep from adding more parts that have the ability to fail. Simple is better in my world, and even though those features are convenient, I think they're often times over-analyzed and thought to be more imperative than they are. Personal preferences definitely vary though!

 

[Hessticles]

Love the VT strings and the gen 7!!

 

[Sorry slinger]

Thanks not sure what to do about it now though as I no longer have that bow. Shoot me a pm if u would like to discuss this more. I’m running a Mathews halon 32 now instead of th bowtech.

 

[HoytHntr4]

Just had a new set of your strings put on my RX-1 today at Coyote Creek. I’ve had good luck with every set of Vapor Trail strings/cables that I’ve shot. I like the speed knock set up on this set with the crimped knocking points and shrink wrap over the molded type I’ve had before, those have cracked on me in the past

 

[Sorry slinger]

Ears, Thank you so much for reaching out to me and doing a solid. you have re established my faith in standing behind your product. it means a lot to me. Thanks.

 

[Sorry slinger]

I received the string and cable set today. Thanks. Looks great. Will install them Monday

 

[Sled]

i've never used VT strings but have had several rests. best rests on the market for my purpose. i hunt and like a compact setup. most rests push my quiver out further than i like and induce torque. some don't even allow me to mount the accessories at all. the pro-v models keep everything tight, shoot quietly and are forgiving with the limited overdraw. i'll keep using them until something surpasses their capabilities. that may happen next year when ears drops a new product on us.