Unknown suppressors OG testing

[Q_Sertorius]

What suppressor, cartridge, barrel length combinations did this happen with?

He said, “unsuppressed.”

 

[Tail_Hunter]

He said, “unsuppressed.”

And I quoted it

That's what I get trying to read all that while working.

 

[Timjohnson11]

For probably the 5th time- the OG65 is not “way better” than the OG- they are different cans. They look the same, have definite cross over use, but they are DIFFERENT cans. It’s not “way better” without being specific in its use. That was ignorant of whoever said it.

The OG65 is better at suppressing 6.5mm and below (and potentially 7mm with the user accepting the possible risk) than the OG. It will also be not as durable overall- though more than durable enough for the use case. It isn’t “way better” with 308 or any other 30cal, or if you won’t accept the risk- with 277 or 7mm bullets. The OG will also be better long term on an AR in heavy use.

Sorry but their similarities go well beyond "looking the same" or having "definite cross over use"... You literally just said they were made for the same primary application.

Sure there are differences. My perception of differences are

1. the OG is materially heavier
2. the OG is materially louder
3. the OG can be applied to 30cals (which the OG 6.5 cannot) but user beware as it was not designed for primary use on most modern 30cal cartridges given their powder charges, it may be LOUD and frankly unpleasant to use the OG in 30cal applications outside of more moderate cartridges like the .308
4. the OG (may) hold up better if you are planning to burn down mags out of a gasser..

Lastly, regarding you comment that "It's not way better without being specific in its use"... Well the "use" I'm referring to is the primary use/application that you referred to and that both were explicitly designed for. I just have a hard time seeing how the OG 65 doesn't make the OG obsolete for 90% of us...

 

[Dan Carey]

If you are going to put a suppressor on a rifle you can expect extra weight and length. So why wouldn't you just bite the bullet and put the absolute best suppressor you could afford. I see a company making 3 different 30 cal cans with all 3 having different ratings. All of them weighting different and different lengths. I could see a maybe, if you carried them 40 hours a week, but not when they are used a few hours a week or month. Just think out loud.

 

[RockAndSage]

The only con to suppressing an AR is gas to face. However, that risk is greatly alleviated by using non toxic lube, or natural oil, such ans olive oil, when practicing with AR’s.

When you get a chance, it might be useful to take a look at some of the data coming out of the shoot-houses at Bragg, and what the instructors have been dealing with in terms of toxins. While having a non-toxic lube helps in terms of what combustion byproducts it releases, the first round out of any weapon pollutes that lube with micronized lead and copper, from .1 micron to appx 1.5 micron, IIRC.

The mix is about 70/30 copper to lead in rifles, with those numbers being almost exactly flipped with pistols. This is with standard ball ammo, btw. It's stark enough that forensic investigators can tell if a rifle or a pistol was used just with what concentrations of metal particulate is left at the scene, separate from bullet or casing evidence. About 20% of the lead on any gun range is coming from primer compounds as well. Depending on the formulation of the gunpowder, you can also get anything from ammonia to various types of acids getting blown in your face. About 5 or 6 years ago someone finally started testing those instructors for various types of poisoning, and their lead & copper numbers were off the charts. Dudes had to go in for some long-term chelation therapy, lasting more than a year in some cases, if memory serves.

 

[Hurley88]

He said, “unsuppressed.”

That's what I get trying to read all that while working.

No I meant suppressed without earpro. Just fixed the post.

 

[Hurley88]

What suppressor, cartridge, barrel length combinations did this happen with?

Unknown Suppressors OG (30ca), 16” barrel, 6mm Creed

 

[RockAndSage]

I never said it wasn’t more pleasant, I said the shootability benefit goes down.

Pressure has more to do with loudness than casing volume or bullet diameter. I've always perceived 5.56 to be a lot louder than .308/7.62, so be careful in dismissing the idea that shootability goes down as cartridge size diminishes. Muzzle blast does have an impact on accuracy for a lot of shooters, and suppressors help with that a great deal, no matter cartridge size.

 

[Dan Carey]

Pressure is why an airgun sounds like a 22 when unsuppressed

 

[5811]

Pressure is why an airgun sounds like a 22 when unsuppressed

That and the supersonic crack.

 

[Formidilosus]

When you get a chance, it might be useful to take a look at some of the data coming out of the shoot-houses at Bragg, and what the instructors have been dealing with in terms of toxins. While having a non-toxic lube helps in terms of what combustion byproducts it releases, the first round out of any weapon pollutes that lube with micronized lead and copper, from .1 micron to appx 1.5 micron, IIRC.

The mix is about 70/30 copper to lead in rifles, with those numbers being almost exactly flipped with pistols. This is with standard ball ammo, btw. It's stark enough that forensic investigators can tell if a rifle or a pistol was used just with what concentrations of metal particulate is left at the scene, separate from bullet or casing evidence. About 20% of the lead on any gun range is coming from primer compounds as well. Depending on the formulation of the gunpowder, you can also get anything from ammonia to various types of acids getting blown in your face. About 5 or 6 years ago someone finally started testing those instructors for various types of poisoning, and their lead & copper numbers were off the charts. Dudes had to go in for some long-term chelation therapy, lasting more than a year in some cases, if memory serves.

I appreciate it, however I am well aware of it.

 

[Hurley88]

Pressure has more to do with loudness than casing volume or bullet diameter. I've always perceived 5.56 to be a lot louder than .308/7.62, so be careful in dismissing the idea that shootability goes down as cartridge size diminishes. Muzzle blast does have an impact on accuracy for a lot of shooters, and suppressors help with that a great deal, no matter cartridge size.

Interesting thought. I’ve also always perceived it to be louder…but 5.56 rifles almost always have a brake or flash hider on them. I attributed it largely to that.