Turrets and Holdover Reticles??

[Jakerex]

I’m looking for a new scope and all I want is a SFP scope with a duplex reticle, and a reliable turret for shooting outwards of 700 yards. In my search I see so many, like the majority of manufactures, putting these holdover, MOA hash, mil dot, blah blah blah reticles in their scopes along with an exposed elevation turret. To me, this makes little sense.

Yes I understand, we’ll maybe not, that as a hunter you could get a quick shot where you could use a holdover mark instead of dialing your turret, but does this ever really happen? If it’s far enough that you need to use a holdover mark, you’re probably taking your time and going prone or similar for a shot, and would need time to range, so you could dial anyway, or, it’s close enough that there is no need for holdover marks…..just crosshairs and shoot.

Am I the only person wondering why more standard duplex reticles are not used in scopes with elevation turrets, especially those scopes directed towards big game hunters?


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[Elmer J. Fudd]

I think a lot of it has to do with hunters wanting their equipment to make them feel like Rambo. Just breaking balls. If you saw my gun you would know I'm picking on myself.

 

[cmahoney]

You will want a wind hold reference in the reticle.


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[TNKnoxville]

Zeiss V4 4x16x44 duplex, exposed elevation turret. I have one on my 300 win mag and finally got it set up correctly. Has a bit of a short mounting area. I dial for distance so don't need all the hash marks. Some of the reticles are very busy and to me distract me while aiming at an animal. But that's me. I like to keep it simple!

 

[Northpark]

I have used holdovers and dialing interchangeably. Just depends on the situation.

 

[Jakerex]

I have used holdovers and dialing interchangeably. Just depends on the situation.

Curious to what situation you would use holdover instead of dialing? My thought process is that would only occur if the distance in known (previously ranged), otherwise if you’re ranging you have time to dial. I could be completely wrong on this. Really wondering. Thanks


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[Jakerex]

You will want a wind hold reference in the reticle.


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Agree with this, but, if it’s windy I’m not taking to long of a shot.


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[cmahoney]

Agree with this, but, if it’s windy I’m not taking to long of a shot.


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There is usually some wind, even a steady wind that varies from 5-10 MPH will require some compensation.


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[JNDEER]

Had been glassing a hillside and it was a 340 yard shot where a buck just appears in a window that’s 5’x5’ and is looking left to continue on the deer trail. Vortex HS scope with turret under the cap- duplex reticle was used shooting off a primos shooting stick

Not all hunting situations allow for a person to lie prone while the animal just stands in the open and waits while you double check ranges, wind speed and calmly clicks the turret to the desired distance.

 

[cmahoney]

Had been glassing a hillside and it was a 340 yard shot where a buck just appears in a window that’s 5’x5’ and is looking left to continue on the deer trail. Vortex HS scope with turret under the cap- duplex reticle was used shooting off a primos shooting stick

Not all hunting situations allow for a person to lie prone while the animal just stands in the open and waits while you double check ranges, wind speed and calmly clicks the turret to the desired distance.

You are better off using the reticle than the turret on the scope.


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[Sako300]

Zeiss V4!!!!! #93 reticle

 

[JGRaider]

There is usually some wind, even a steady wind that varies from 5-10 MPH will require some compensation.


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This. Most everyone I know holds for wind, and if you don't have wind holds on your reticle you're mostly guessing.

 

[TL406]

Having hashes or dots on a grid are extremely helpful at tracking impacts and making windage/elevation corrections if you have a set up that lets you watch impacts in the scope. That doesn’t usually apply (hopefully not at least) to hunting but practice/shooting rocks at 800 yards it is nice to have. Having some reference inside the scope can also help you measure objects in the field if you have a rangefinder and a basic understanding of math (measuring the body length of black bears in your scope is what comes to mind immediately to me)

 

[Howiemoth]

These may help

 

[F0steology]

As already mentioned, a simple Plex reticle for 700 yards is not the best in regards to wind. However, if you're dead set on this then the Nightforce SHV 3-10x42mm Foreceplex is likely your best choice.

 

[riversidejeep]

The Leupold VX has the locking exposed turret with custom etched yardage that you can get with windage hash marks ( windplex ?) Mine is spot on to dial out to 850 yards (far as I have tried). I hunt with it on the 100 yard zero and just do the conventional hold a little higher out to 300-350 yards.

 

[Jakerex]

This. Most everyone I know holds for wind, and if you don't have wind holds on your reticle you're mostly guessing.

So, to hold accurately for wind we’re using an anemometer or similar, or at least we should be, or it’s just poking and hoping, right? If we’re using something to gauge wind speed, that should leave us plenty of time to dial an elevation turret.

I guess what I’m getting at, there seems to be little reason for both on a scope. Maybe a duplex with windage hash marks or dots, and a turret.

Someone mentioned above needing to make a quick shot at 340 yards and not having time to dial a turret. Does anyone really need a holdover line to tell them where to aim at 340 yards…..we’ll I guess the author of that comments seems to think so. Anyone else?


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[JGRaider]

So, to hold accurately for wind we’re using an anemometer or similar, or at least we should be, or it’s just poking and hoping, right? If we’re using something to gauge wind speed, that should leave us plenty of time to dial an elevation turret. There have been plenty of times I hunt with a buddy or two. One of us is dedicated to getting a range, etc, and sometimes you don't have time, or don't want to take the time. If you have much field experience at all, judging a 10-15mph wind isn't that hard anyway. There are definitely limits to a person's ability, and each should know and adhere to that.

I guess what I’m getting at, there seems to be little reason for both on a scope. Maybe a duplex with windage hash marks or dots, and a turret. I have a VX3 B&C reticle that also has a CDS yardage dial. It's dialed in on a supremely accuraate McWhorter 7mm08 and zeroed at 220 yds. Hashes correspond perfectly to 300,400,450, and 500. When you range and get something in between those numbers it's just as easy to dial and be exact.

Someone mentioned above needing to make a quick shot at 340 yards and not having time to dial a turret. Does anyone really need a holdover line to tell them where to aim at 340 yards? If your zeroed at 100, which most hunters are, unless you know exactly how your reticle subtends at various distances, you're swagging it without holds.

 

[Jakerex]

So, to hold accurately for wind we’re using an anemometer or similar, or at least we should be, or it’s just poking and hoping, right? If we’re using something to gauge wind speed, that should leave us plenty of time to dial an elevation turret. There have been plenty of times I hunt with a buddy or two. One of us is dedicated to getting a range, etc, and sometimes you don't have time, or don't want to take the time. If you have much field experience at all, judging a 10-15mph wind isn't that hard anyway. There are definitely limits to a person's ability, and each should know and adhere to that.

I guess what I’m getting at, there seems to be little reason for both on a scope. Maybe a duplex with windage hash marks or dots, and a turret. I have a VX3 B&C reticle that also has a CDS yardage dial. It's dialed in on a supremely accuraate McWhorter 7mm08 and zeroed at 220 yds. Hashes correspond perfectly to 300,400,450, and 500. When you range and get something in between those numbers it's just as easy to dial and be exact.

Someone mentioned above needing to make a quick shot at 340 yards and not having time to dial a turret. Does anyone really need a holdover line to tell them where to aim at 340 yards? If your zeroed at 100, which most hunters are, unless you know exactly how your reticle subtends at various distances, you're swagging it without holds.

Thanks man. Like your comments


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[JGRaider]

I hope it helps. I need all the help I can get! Good luck.