Tikka vs Seekins

[Junkel87]

Curious why just these two options if you are looking to change stock, barrel etc. anyway?

I'm open to other options if you got some.

 

[kthomas]

Remington had some embarrassing fails in the past. They can be absolutely reliable if properly built, but the average is not very good.


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Rem700 based customs aren't R700.

They share a footprint with the R700 and that's about it.

 

[kthomas]

Wrong question on Rokslide… I prefer my Rem platform short actions over Tikka, but it is not the popular choice.

Rokslide is extreme for durability and reliability, and the Tikka fits with that ethos. Can’t argue, Tikka is solid and I am enjoying the ones I have built. Cost less to get into as well.

Plenty of R700 footprint actions that perform better in that metric (and others) over a Tikka.

 

[kthomas]

Just because “all custom actions” are based on a REM 700 doesn’t automatically mean that it is the “best” starting point for a bolt action rifle.

Like @hereinaz said, Rokslide users are backcountry hunters who take not just their guns to limit, but all of their gear. Lots of users here are in the mountains shooting year round not just a couple days/weeks out of the year on hunts. Think using the gun 4+ days a week, every week.

When you take any REM 700 based action and put it up against a Tikka in year round field use, it’s really not even close unfortunately. The Tikka is like a Toyota Hilux Diesel pickup if you understand that analogy.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but there are R700 footprint actions that outperform Tikkas in every aspect, including durability in the elements.

I would take my Mausingfield over a Tikka every day of the week for a hard use rifle.

 

[kthomas]

I seriously doubt you will have to rebarrel it right away. I have heard of some that won’t shoot well, but never encountered one that would not shoot well.


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OEM Tikkas shoot good, they are just typically on the slower side.

 

[Ophidian]

Ph2 is 7-300 prc but I found someone who makes custom mags for them so you can shoot short action cartridges in the long action.

Who makes them? I’m toying with doing a barrel swap with a short action cartridge next year.

 

[Junkel87]

Who makes them? I’m toying with doing a barrel swap with a short action cartridge next year.

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You know any good aftermarket stocks for the Seekins ph2 long action? Other then grayboe.

 

[Flyjunky]

Like @hereinaz said, Rokslide users are backcountry hunters who take not just their guns to limit, but all of their gear. Lots of users here are in the mountains shooting year round not just a couple days/weeks out of the year on hunts. Think using the gun 4+ days a

I’m a big fan of your posts and the info/experience you bring to this site but I’m not too sure on the post above. The number of people who have the time/money to shoot 4+ days a week is very, very small. To do that you are either retired or work in the shooting business.

As far as a lot of people on this site taking their gear to the limit, once again, very small amount of the people on this site are in that group. Everyone likes to have good gear, stuff that is dependable because we don’t want our stuff failing in the field when we’ve been waiting/anticipating and looking forward to our hunts since the last one.

If there was a huge percentage of this site that was out shooting all the time, taking their gear to the limits, etc we wouldn’t have the type of questions that get posted here constantly.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I’m a big fan of your posts and the info/experience you bring to this site but I’m not too sure on the post above. The number of people who have the time/money to shoot 4+ days a week is very, very small. To do that you are either retired or work in the shooting business.

Or you prioritize it over other hobbies, sleeping in, scrolling apps etc. I agree that the amount of folks who shoot often enough are rare. I do think though, if folks were more proactive and had a stronger passion for it, they would find ways to shoot more.

As far as a lot of people on this site taking their gear to the limit, once again, very small amount of the people on this site are in that group.

I think, at least in the members I’ve met and shot with here on Rokslide, folks here are way above average on overall gear use as far as hunters go.

Everyone likes to have good gear, stuff that is dependable because we don’t want our stuff failing in the field when we’ve been waiting/anticipating and looking forward to our hunts since the last one.

If there was a huge percentage of this site that was out shooting all the time, taking their gear to the limits, etc we wouldn’t have the type of questions that get posted here constantly.

This is true. Like I always say on here, certain gear works great until it doesn’t. Leupolds, Vortex’s, and Rem 700 rifles probably kill more animals than all other combinations combined each year. Luckily for most hunters, its shots from heated deer stands at thin skinned whitetails in a farm field under 200 yards.

It is interesting because many of us get berated on here for being “cult like” or “koolaid drinking” even by mods of the site in the past, when, like you said, the amount of folks actually testing and using their gear in heavy field use is slim. So where else is the information going to come from?

So, we report here on Rokslide for what worked and what didn’t work and then we get hit with “it works great for me!” “You just drink Rokslide koolaid”. And on it goes.

In general, in what I’ve seen in person, Rokslide members who are actually willing to come out and shoot are much more proficient with their gear compared to the average “shooter” or “hunter”. Which is a skillset that comes from only one thing. Shooting and hunting. So they are obviously putting in time.

I do think you are correct though, the percentage of folks using gear in hunting applications, weekly, where gear fails (like while hunting) is egregiously slim.

Which I suppose is one of the reasons I’ll keep reporting on what works and what has failed in use, maybe it will help someone make a decision. Or maybe they’ll put me on “ignore” for being a koolaid drinker. That choice is on them and doesn’t bother me either way.

If you are shooting at a bench, or out of the bed of a pickup, and only on sunshine days, with minimal wind, on a flat range, posting photos of cherry picked 3 and maybe 5 shot “groups” and then you pack it up and say “man what a great field day”. That information and use case for gun reliability is useless to me. That’s not using or testing your gear to me at all.

Delete your social media, but before you do, go look at your “screen time” on your phone for each app. Instead of scrolling through garbage, take those hours and hours every day used to swipe, to instead go learn in the field. Or don’t. But don’t berate folks who do and learn and post info for you to see.

Now watch how upset folks get at those last two comments

 

[designated marksman]

I'd stick with the Seekins. Super high quality and excellent customer service.

 

[FCCDerek]

There are plenty of threads but the bottom line is, They fail constantly when used as they should be, triggers are absolute trash due to the required long sear, no military in the world (last time I looked) allows a 700 or clone to be used, they will slam fire. Like someone else said on here, there is a reason EVERY comp shooter carries a spare trigger in the truck...

Ummmm, do you know what the M40 rifle is? Or the M24?

 

[brazz04]

My current 6.5 PRC is a Seekins Havak Bravo PH2. It's fine and that's about all. Barrel is about as slow as a Tikka barrel so no advantage there. I bought it soley because I love the KRG Bravo and all my other rifles wear one. That said, the PH2 is no where near the action the Tikka is. My current Tikka 223 and previous Tikka 7PRC were light years better than the PH2.

My biggest PH2 issue that I cant fix is that the bolt lugs hit the shoulder of the 6.5 PRC case when running the bolt so it's just a clunky operation and can jam really easily. Second issue is the PH2 bolt stop doesn't allow the bolt to come back far enough. If you load a mag while the blot is open, it will run over the top of the case and not pick up a round. Or it will pick up a round and jam it into the chamber at an odd angle requiring you to remove the mag all together. I'm hoping to fix that issue by removing material on the bolt stop allowing the bolt to come back more and actually start behind the cartridge.

 

[TradLife406]

How's the Seekins trigger for reliability? I definitely had the Remmy tigger issues with my bighorn and trigger tech that Form talks about. That Montana hi line moon dust would get in there and I'd get a click. Happened several times on a hunt.

 

[Formidilosus]

How's the Seekins trigger for reliability? I definitely had the Remmy tigger issues with my bighorn and trigger tech that Form talks about. That Montana hi line moon dust would get in there and I'd get a click. Happened several times on a hunt.

They are the exact same triggers.

 

[Formidilosus]

Ummmm, do you know what the M40 rifle is? Or the M24?

You mean the rifles where it was SOP that you could never have the rifle loaded and move- for exactly the trigger issues stated? Or where the SOP was to carry a can of lighter fluid to flush the trigger group out every day? Or the school house SOP of having rubber bands on the rifle and scope to wrap around the bolt handle to never let it close, and in front of the safety to keep it on- and either one of those happening (bolt closing or safety off) were grounds for dismissing the students? All precisely because of triggers failing.

Eh. Maybe it’s all made up.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

You mean the rifles where it was SOP that you could never have the rifle loaded and move- for exactly the trigger issues stated? Or where the SOP was to carry a can of lighter fluid to flush the trigger group out every day? Or the school house SOP of having rubber bands on the rifle and scope to wrap around the bolt handle to never let it close, and in front of the safety to keep it on- and either one of those happening (bolt closing or safety off) were grounds for dismissing the students? All precisely because of triggers failing.

Eh. Maybe it’s all made up.

My favorite M40A1 story is when the sniper team on one of our ranges climbed up a mountain without the bolt because the unit SOP was to leave the bolt out of the rifle until it was loaded. When they got ready to engage their targets, they discovered that the bolt was still in the gun bag at the company assembly area. It resulted in one of the funniest exchanges I heard over the radio as a combat instructor.

“Corridor, 72B here.”
“72B, go for Corridor.”
“Corridor, Snipers denied 7.62.”
“Copy that, 72B. State reason for denial.”
“Umm, improper equipment, sir.”
“72B, please clarify nature of improper equipment.”
“Umm, sir, they left their bolt in the gun bag in the assembly area at the bottom of the mountain. I was trying not to embarrass them on the net, but since you asked and I am going to sit up here and watch them hold their dicks all day, **** ‘em. 72B out.”
“Copy.”

I wouldn’t have taken anything to be in that STA platoon that day or night. I am reasonably certain that every officer in that unit wanted to die of shame and scrupulously avoided seeing how the platoon sergeant handled that matter.

 

[Formidilosus]

My favorite M40A1 story is when the sniper team on one of our ranges climbed up a mountain without the bolt because the unit SOP was to leave the bolt out of the rifle until it was loaded. When they got ready to engage their targets, they discovered that the bolt was still in the gun bag at the company assembly area. It resulted in one of the funniest exchanges I heard over the radio as a combat instructor.

“Corridor, 72B here.”
“72B, go for Corridor.”
“Corridor, Snipers denied 7.62.”
“Copy that, 72B. State reason for denial.”
“Umm, improper equipment, sir.”
“72B, please clarify nature of improper equipment.”
“Umm, sir, they left their bolt in the gun bag in the assembly area at the bottom of the mountain. I was trying not to embarrass them on the net, but since you asked and I am going to sit up here and watch them hold their dicks all day, **** ‘em. 72B out.”
“Copy.”

I wouldn’t have taken anything to be in that STA platoon that day or night. I am reasonably certain that every officer in that unit wanted to die of shame and scrupulously avoided seeing how the platoon sergeant handled that matter.

Ha.

The M40A1 and M24 are two of the best field, stalking sniper rifles ever issued- and it would be hard to find someone with more affinity of both than I- especially the M24. But, they did, and do have issues.

 

[NSI]

Ha.

The M40A1 and M24 are two of the best field, stalking sniper rifles ever issued- and it would be hard to find someone with more affinity of both than I- especially the M24. But, they did, and do have issues.

Parker Hale was cooler and better in every way, fight me.

-J

 

[Formidilosus]

Parker Hale was cooler and better in every way, fight me.

-J

Nah. No argument. I need a PH M85.

The biggest weakness of it and most others- and the biggest strength of the M24, was the scope.

 

[whoami-72]

Seekins will replace your barrel for $550