three day trip- under 30 lbs with food and water :)

[mtwarden]

@mtwarden you still taking the Cheese slices for lunch? Have any issues with them over multiple days when it is hot out? I love beef stick, cheese, cracker combo, but the cheese always worries me after 2 days of non-refridge in 90+ heat ...

90° I agree—a couple of days; I've been using these small slices from Tillamok, they're wrapped individually so probably buys a little additional time

https://www.tillamook.com/foodservice/products/cheese/medium-cheddar-cheese-portions

Makes a difference on where you store stuff in your pack too; anything I tend to worry about heat wise, I'll pack pretty deep in my pack. Stuff that cools at night hanging in a tree, tends to stay cooler when somewhat insulated in your pack.

 

[BBob]

I've been using these small slices from Tillamok,

I use the very same ones. Costco!

I’ve been carrying cheese in my pack on pack trips since the 70’s down here in the hot SW. Never had an issue yet

 

[DrBeetleKill]

1-the lightweight synthetic quilt goes over the top of the down bag. the quilt has a couple of small bungee like straps that secure it the bag. the quilt I have has a “poncho” hole so doubles as a glassing layer

2-occasionally, complete different shelter- pyramid with a stove jack—adds significant weight with a larger/heavier shelter and stove. With two guys splitting the weight, much better

3 I have a ghost whisperer jacket, only use it in the summer and favorable early season hunting. Look at the amount of down fill (and the grade ie 850 fill) when comparing different down jackets. Feathered Friends makes a couple of warm, but still light jackets; Katabatic does too- there are others too. Nunatak used to make custom synthetic jackets that are great, but no longer. They do have a down jacket that looks good though.

Thanks for the quick reply. I really like the option to take the quilt for glassing as well. Time to start doing some major research on quilt options. What is your total weight with the bag and quilt combo? I was about to head in the 15degree bag and puffy layer direction, but this has me reconsidering my options.

 

[mtwarden]

My quilt is a 50° (synthetic -Apex), so it adds roughly 20° to a sleep system. 30° down bag is now rated to roughly 10°. My 30° down bag is a Feathered Friends Flick that weighs 22 oz; the 50° quilt (MLD Spirit 48) weighs 12 oz—so just a smidge over 2 lbs, not too shabby for roughly a 10° system.

This chart shows the different combinations and resultant temp rating.

I'll so use it in the winter sometimes with a 10° down bag, giving me roughly -10° of warmth.

 

[MT_Wyatt]

@mtwarden I've reviewed quite a few posts on the Li series tarptents, you chime in on the Aeon as well as the Stratospire. Sounds like the vestibule is a little small for using the Aeon Li past early season? That single trekking pole setup, weight and most importantly footprint seem to fit well for more mobile trips. Too small for most backpack hunt trips you think? I moved on from my x-mid 1P.....footprint made pitching pretty tough in tighter areas, which I needed these past two years.....

 

[mtwarden]

I still use it (Aeon) for hunting trips, unless it's calling for really rough weather and then the Hilleberg Niak is used.

The vestibule could certainly be a little larger, but I can still get my backpack and boots under it—room for the rifle inside.

If someone would take the design of the Niak, make it in dcf—that would be shelter I'd be really interested in. For some reason the crossed pole design is deemed too old, but it's a small footprint, free standing and has proven it's durability in stormy weather for decades.

 

[DrBeetleKill]

My quilt is a 50° (synthetic -Apex), so it adds roughly 20° to a sleep system. 30° down bag is now rated to roughly 10°. My 30° down bag is a Feathered Friends Flick that weighs 22 oz; the 50° quilt (MLD Spirit 48) weighs 12 oz—so just a smidge over 2 lbs, not too shabby for roughly a 10° system.

This chart shows the different combinations and resultant temp rating.

I'll so use it in the winter sometimes with a 10° down bag, giving me roughly -10° of warmth.


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This helps a bunch. Thank you

 

[mtwarden]

I might have mentioned it elsewhere, but in addition to the added warmth, the synthetic quilt on top helps keep the down drier in the bag—most of you body moisture (which can be significant) will move entirely through the bag and into the syn quilt, most of that will move through as well, but what doesn't won't impact the loft of the syn insulation like it would down.

Probably not a biggie on a shorter trip, but could be helpful on a longer trip.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

If someone would take the design of the Niak, make it in dcf—that would be shelter I'd be really interested in.

This is essentially what the Tarptent Arcdome is, made from Ultra Fabric and a 2 person though. I've chatted with them a couple times over the past 6 months. A 1+ version will be released later this year from what I understand.

 

[mtwarden]

This is essentially what the Tarptent Arcdome is, made from Ultra Fabric and a 2 person though. I've chatted with them a couple times over the past 6 months. A 1+ version will be released later this year from what I understand.

and I'm patiently waiting

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[BBob]

This is essentially what the Tarptent Arcdome is, made from Ultra Fabric and a 2 person though. I've chatted with them a couple times over the past 6 months. A 1+ version will be released later this year from what I understand.

and I'm patiently waiting

Kind of a lightweight rendition of a Bibler Awahnee aka Maxi Pad

 

[mtwarden]

^ definitely; did the Awahnee come with a vestibule—this one will.

 

[BBob]

^ definitely; did the Awahnee come with a vestibule—this one will.

It was an option you could add. It (vestibule) was a bit bigger than what the Arcdome looks like with a separate hoop pole. The Awahnee had a little bit of an eave over the door so in moderate rain it kept the door dry and so you could vent at the top of the door. The I-Tent (aka Mini Pad) and Eldorado also had optional vestibule's. The I Tent and Eldorado doors were completely exposed but had peak vents for ventilation. I still have my Eldorado. I don't recall selling the I Tent so it may still be around too.