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These closures used to make me mad but over the years I've come to accept them as necessary to protect wintering deer. Although this one is in Colorado, I'm affected directly here in Idaho as several of the areas I grew up shed hunting in are now closed, but the deer winter pretty much undisturbed. 10 years ago you could glass the area and watch deer running in every direction as there were shed hunters everywhere. Only thing I'd wish here is if we could run a permit-only lion season in the areas as the cats tend to pile in there with no hunting pressure. Here's the Gunnison Basin closure:

GUNNISON, Colo. In order to minimize disturbance to wildlife during the cold winter months, shed antler collecting is prohibited in the Gunnison Basin until March 15. After that date, collectors must be aware of regulations for this activity established by Colorado Parks and Wildlife.


"Special regulations have been in place for several years, so anyone planning to collect antlers should call our office and check to be certain they understand the rules," said J Wenum, area wildlife manager in Gunnison.


Those who violate the regulations can be fined $70, be assessed five penalty points against their hunting and fishing privileges, and antlers collected will be confiscated. Harassing wildlife is also illegal under state statute and can result in additional fines.


Winter is a difficult time for wildlife; human activity can cause significant stress on animals, especially big game. Deer often lose up to 30 percent of their body weight during the winter. If they are forced to move they burn the extra calories they need to get them through the winter.


In the Gunnison Basin in big game management units 54, 55, 551, 66 and 67, here are the special regulations that are in place to prevent disturbance of animals on public lands: Collection of shed antlers is prohibited on public lands within those units from Jan. 1 through March 14. From March 15 through May 15, shed antler collection is prohibited from legal sunset to 10 a.m.


Collectors are advised to consult official sunset tables and to obtain accurate maps of the area. Anyone who has questions about the regulations can contact the Colorado Parks and Wildlife office in Gunnison at 970-641-7060. Members of the public who see people violating the closure should call the Gunnison office.


Collectors and other recreationists also should be aware that to protect Gunnison sage-grouse leks, the BLM and Gunnison County close roads throughout the basin to motorized travel during the winter and early spring. To learn about road closures or to report closure violations, call the BLM, 970-642-4940, U.S. Forest Service, 970-641-0471; or Gunnison County, 970-641-8201.


For more information about Colorado Parks and Wildlife go to: http://cpw.state.co.us.
 

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I wish Wyoming's law was set up more similar to this. It's been my observation that prohibiting collection until May 1 has only made it really good for those who do not follow the law.
 
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Yeah, god forbid you can't pick up shed antlers but the hikers and bird watchers can still go out and enjoy themselves.
 
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Nick, around here there is an area closure so no one can go in. Even in the areas that aren't closed, though, there aren't enough hikers and birdwatchers to disturb the deer compared to 30-40 antler hunters there every weekend and some every day. maybe different in other places and if those other recreationists are having an impact, they should be restricted to.
 
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Wyodan, yip, and there are a few guys here who get some of the best sheds because the rest of us obey the law. A great injustice indeed.
 
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Nick, around here there is an area closure so no one can go in. Even in the areas that aren't closed, though, there aren't enough hikers and birdwatchers to disturb the deer compared to 30-40 antler hunters there every weekend and some every day. maybe different in other places and if those other recreationists are having an impact, they should be restricted to.

Closing off public land all together, in the name of deer, doesn't sound right to me either... I understand the intent, but I also understand that it is eventually going to cause license's and shed antler seasons in many western states over time... More money out of our pocket to do very simple things, like walk around and look for antlers.
 
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Nick, around here there is an area closure so no one can go in. Even in the areas that aren't closed, though, there aren't enough hikers and birdwatchers to disturb the deer compared to 30-40 antler hunters there every weekend and some every day. maybe different in other places and if those other recreationists are having an impact, they should be restricted to.

This plus the fact that birders and hikers are hiking on the TRAILS. Compared to shed hunters that are off the beaten path probably grid searching entire basins. Huge difference!!
 
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Nick, I'm certainly not arguing with you but if you saw the Heise winter range east of Idaho falls ten years ago, it would have made you ill. That's why I said in my opening line "these used to make me mad". I get what you're saying on more regs, more rules, less freedom. I really do but in some places the deer really do suffer from shed hunters.
 

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To much money in it now. Pushes everyone out earlier and earlier so they can score some bone before the next guy. God forbid the big one only drops one side he'll get pushed everywhere in 3 foot snow because hey they're dropping. Haven't seen much difference after the rules in western wyoming or utah ethics quiz. Not sure what answer is but status quo isn't working
 
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This also started in the Eagle Co. area last year. After obeying the season dates and entering on "opening day" it was clear that the vast majority of sheds had already been picked up. My dad, wife, and I struggled to pick up sheds where we knew deer had been and wintered. I do agree with the law as less pressure on deer in the hard winter months can only benefit our quarry. I hope they do a better job of posting this rule on the winter range as last year there was not a single sign to deter shed hunters out of season. Although it can postpone us from doing what we enjoy, is it overall the better choice to reduce pressure on struggling herds?
 
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Although it can postpone us from doing what we enjoy, is it overall the better choice to reduce pressure on struggling herds?
I can only speculate that not running deer at their most vulnerable time of year is only a good thing.

Walt Prothero documents in his books actual deaths of deer from nothing more than too much winter harrassment
 
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The fine should be more. $70 is not much when you can literally earn thousands collecting sheds. I dont understand why the fines related to wildlife infractions are so small. Its not like you can accidentally break some of these laws. They do it on purpose because the punishment just isnt enough of a deterrent.
 

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I watched a really nice buck drop on Thursday, unfortunately I cant pick it up until May 1st, it will be long gone by then.
 
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Robby,
I was going to quote the Walt Prothero book as well. I live about 5 miles from the scene he references.
I truly think we are loving these deer to death. We never give them a break between scouting, hunting, scouting for sheds, picking up sheds, hanging cameras, photography, flying drones over them etc.
 

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Thanks for sharing Robby, I agree with you and think winter is just so tough on these guys we should do what we can to help the herd. It would be nice if this helps.
 

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I'm with Robby. Close it. If people weren't out there acting like a bunch of maniacs running the hills, they never would have felt the need to regulate the area. Most of the folks that were creating problems down there are not nearly as respectful to the game and the land as the people on this site are, believe me on that. Closures don't work either though. I caught a couple of nervous young men carrying armfuls of elk sheds out of a state wildlife area next to my house last spring, which was perfectly legal. Except that when I got to the trail split and the gate to the "closed until june for wintering and calving" area, I could clearly see the two sets of tracks in the snow going in and coming out of there. The point is, when people act like dicks and do shit they aren't supposed to, it has an affect on the rest of us. Thank you, Texas. Boom.
 

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I think it is good as well, animal well being should matter more then antler sheds and making money off them. I know most will disagree but I'm ok with a permit for shed collecting and stiffer fines for breaking closure rules.
 
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