The opposite of the Rokslide special, tooter and quartering gut shots with large cartridges

[Thebigbaby]

Thoughts on this guy/method?

Spark notes: While he’d prefer vital shots, in his experience you don’t get them often with large, experienced, old bulls. Often the bull is fleeting. He’s found using large cartridges (.338 and larger) and shooting them in the ass (tooter) into the vitals or quartering gut shots, are very effective and 100% ethical.

 

[Marbles]

Sounds like a piss poor hunter making excuses. People manage to kill old bulls with archery equipment.

Also, a well placed quartering away shot with a 375 Ruger has left a co-worker to track an animal for 3 days before finally killing it. Bullet hit where he aimed and stopped in a full stomach. So, I call bullshit on his claim this is a reliable method.

 

[BadDogPSD]

I've also heard this referred to as a "Texas Heart Shot". I've gut shot one elk, and I hope I never do it again

 

[BreechFace]

Sounds like a piss poor hunter making excuses. People manage to kill old bulls with archery equipment.

Also, a well placed quartering away shot with a 375 Ruger has left a co-worker to track an animal for 3 days before finally killing it. Bullet hit where he aimed and stopped in a full stomach. So, I call bullshit on his claim this is a reliable method.

I agree with your first sentence.

What projectile?

 

[Chad E]

Not someone I would take advice from. His past legal history is worth the read.

On a late season cow hunt two days ago I watched a cow run across the sagebrush flat with its guts hanging out shot by another hunter. She made it a long way and ultimately there is no way she was recovered. Made my stomach turn.

 

[7mm-08]

Mr. Sundles is a pretty controversial guy. Do your research on the source before you put much faith in the information.

 

[Marbles]

What projectile?

I unfortunately do not recall and haven't worked with the guy in years.

At the time I was in the "30-06 is minimum acceptable camp" and he was explaining how he had came to using a 6.5 Creed for everything as the big gun hadn't gotten the margin for bad shots he expected.

 

[Thebigbaby]

Not someone I would take advice from. His past legal history is worth the read.

On a late season cow hunt two days ago I watched a cow run across the sagebrush flat with its guts hanging out shot by another hunter. She made it a long way and ultimately there is no way she was recovered. Made my stomach turn.

Poisoning wolfs or is there more?

 

[BreechFace]

I unfortunately do not recall and haven't worked with the guy in years.

At the time I was in the "30-06 is minimum acceptable camp" and he was explaining how he had came to using a 6.5 Creed for everything as the big gun hadn't gotten the margin for bad shots he expected.

I was interested as I have a 375 Ruger and its performance is impressive. But projectile choice matters, most especially if one is willing to take a raking quartering away shot.

 

[Marbles]

Poisoning wolfs or is there more?

He has written basically bragging about shooting grizzlies and leaving them to rot in Montana (not those exact words of course, but strongly implied) and some pretty other braggadocio stuff back when I read some of his writing in 2012 or so.

He is out to sell Buffalo Bore ammo and convenience everyone a 454 is hardly acceptable for bear defense for a man, while then in the same piece saying a 357 mag is good for bears in the hands of a woman. The required logical disconnect there impeaches his reasoning ability beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

Poisoning wolfs or is there more?

Not sure. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...kstory-on-this-video-from-tim-sundles.418920/

He reminds me of someone I know about his age that always seems to have trouble follow him no matter what. He's here to sell ammo and controversy sells.

 

[TaperPin]

I take some of what he has to say with a grain of salt, but agree with him on the 338.

I often shoot a 338 for elk and 7 mag for deer just because the angle of the shot doesn’t matter as much.

Hitting the base of the tail will anchor an animal quite well.

 

[Thebigbaby]

I take some of what he has to say with a grain of salt, but agree with him on the 338.

I often shoot a 338 for elk and 7 mag for deer just because the angle of the shot doesn’t matter as much.

Hitting the base of the tail will anchor an animal quite well.

What bullet or type of bullet?

 

[BAKPAKR]

I am certain there are situations where I would take a shot with a larger caliber controlled expansion bullet that I would pass on if I was hunting with a smaller caliber bullet that fragments/opens rapidly. Then, there would be shots I wouldn’t take with the larger caliber controlled expansion bullet that I would take with a smaller caliber bullet that fragments/opens rapidly.

I also suspect that many of the small caliber/rapid expansion bullet advocates on here have never spent much time still hunting for elk in places where 75 yards would be a long shot.

@mtnbiker208/@Ross, have either of you switched to something in 22 caliber or 6mm for your primary elk rifle?

@338maker, you probably don’t have much experience with elk (), but if you were going to build yourself one rifle to hunt elk with for the rest of your life, what cartridge would it be chambered in and what bullet would you use?

 

[IDVortex]

He reminds me of that drunk uncle that has never been successful at anything, but tends to have all the answer and knowledge. And most likely the uncle that gets invited for the family gatherings only due to him being related and not really wanted there though.

 

[Choupique]

Thoughts on this guy/method?

I hunt with a .338 win mag and Im not planning on shooting anything up the ass with it. My self imposed rule is that if I dont think I can hit both the last rib and the opposite shoulder, its quartered too hard and I dont shoot. I dont even shoot puny lousiana swamp deer with it like that. Even if it does work, who would want to deal with the resulting mess?

 

[Marbles]

He reminds me of that drunk uncle that has never been successful at anything, but tends to have all the answer and knowledge. And most likely the uncle that gets invited for the family gatherings only due to him being related and not really wanted there though.

Well, he does own an apparently successful ammo company, I even buy his ammo at times.

I don't like the guy, but by many standards (not the ones I value) he is more successful than many of us.

 

[IDVortex]

Well, he does own an apparently successful ammo company, I even buy his ammo at times.

I don't like the guy, but by many standards (not the ones I value) he is more successful than many of us.

I don't disagree, but, how he acts and talks just hits me as that.

 

[TaperPin]

What bullet or type of bullet?

Most anything will break the pelvis or clip the spine, but the heavier and tougher the bullet the better since it’s a small target and if the bullet dips under the tail will have to travel a good ways or penetrate the spine at a glancing angle.

It’s really a rear spine shot, so anything that would break a neck will work.

It’s a small target so it’s not something I’d do at more than a few hundred yards.

(This drawing isn’t exactly correct, but gets the basic idea across of what’s at the base of the tail.)

 

[WYO2011]

Maybe I’m a dumb ass. But are Elk the only animals/mammals that get tougher in there later years. Most mammals as they get towards there life expectancy are not as tough. My 9 year old dog isn’t the same dog as when she was 3. But I hear Tim and JVB talk about 7-13 year old bulls being extremely hard to kill. I’m calling BS.