The new bows are out. Time for me to pick an old one

[Treeratslayer]

Well, if you are in the market for a year old RX7 Ultra or two or an AX2 33, I’ll be selling them next November.

Guns aren’t the same for me though. I haven’t bought a new one in a long time. But I did recently get a new safe with room for far more than I have. Those empty slots have been bugging me. Gotta resist!

I will keep my eye on that!

And I know that feeling. Can’t be having empty spots! That’s just poor ownership!!lol


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[NMJM]

At what point does the price and practicality balance out for the “bang for your buck” so to speak?

It depends on what you mean by bang for your buck. None of us will shoot a new bow better than a 10 year old bow. If you want to go from 60 to 70 lbs you will notice a difference in performance. If you want to go from a 2015 bow to a 2025 bow it is unlikely you will see a difference in performance. Advertising and marketing will make us believe but won't change performance.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

At what point does the price and practicality balance out for the “bang for your buck” so to speak? It depends on what you mean by bang for your buck. None of us will shoot a new bow better than a 10 year old bow. If you want to go from 60 to 70 lbs you will notice a difference in performance. If you want to go from a 2015 bow to a 2025 bow it is unlikely you will see a difference in performance. Advertising and marketing will make us believe but won't change performance.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe this, you really gotta go shoot new bows side by side with your ten year old bow.

I can tell you that I have friends who still have bows like the Hoyt Carbon Defiant and the Mathews Vertix. I have done just that and the performance, feel, everything is night and day better.

Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.

Plus you have full integration, much better balance, and marginally lighter.

Technology is not always a moot point.

 

[Treeratslayer]

Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe this, you really gotta go shoot new bows side by side with your ten year old bow.

I can tell you that I have friends who still have bows like the Hoyt Carbon Defiant and the Mathews Vertix. I have done just that and the performance, feel, everything is night and day better.

Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.

Plus you have full integration, much better balance, and marginally lighter.

Technology is not always a moot point.

I mean Hoyt themselves would contradict that. A RX-3 from 2019 is shooting the exact same FPS and comes in 0.1lb lighter than a RX-9. From their own stats. It might be a bit smoother or different break over point, but that’s 90% preference of the shooter anyway.


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[Treeratslayer]

At what point does the price and practicality balance out for the “bang for your buck” so to speak?

It depends on what you mean by bang for your buck. None of us will shoot a new bow better than a 10 year old bow. If you want to go from 60 to 70 lbs you will notice a difference in performance. If you want to go from a 2015 bow to a 2025 bow it is unlikely you will see a difference in performance. Advertising and marketing will make us believe but won't change performance.

I am going 60 to 70, so yeah that’ll be my biggest upgrade. I also plan to go from my “entry” level Hoyt to likely a flagship model. So higher in components and such. I’m not sure where price and practicality balance. I know I’m not going to spend $2100 on a rx9 when a rx3 can be picked up at less than half the price and shoots the same exact specs.

The speed and weight side of things have really hit a wall it seems. Now it’s just about it being “new”. I don’t need it to match my jacket lol


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[NMJM]

Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe this, you really gotta go shoot new bows side by side with your ten year old bow.

I can tell you that I have friends who still have bows like the Hoyt Carbon Defiant and the Mathews Vertix. I have done just that and the performance, feel, everything is night and day better.

Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.

Plus you have full integration, much better balance, and marginally lighter.

Technology is not always a moot point

Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe this, you really gotta go shoot new bows side by side with your ten year old bow.

I can tell you that I have friends who still have bows like the Hoyt Carbon Defiant and the Mathews Vertix. I have done just that and the performance, feel, everything is night and day better.

Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.

Plus you have full integration, much better balance, and marginally lighter.

Technology is not always a moot point.

I just don't see the improvements you do. 18 and 16 fps is a decent improvement but not worth the cost of a new bow to me. Everything else is more subjective, how it feels, how smooth it is does not directly translate into accuracy or killing more animals. The marketing videos, influencers and ads give us a placebo effect of how great all the new bows are. In reality they are not much different than the last several years. At the end of the day if people like getting new bows ever year or 2 go for it. I just don't see people (myself included) actually shooting any better. I had a 2014 PSE Premonition and upgraded to a Mathews Lift 33. After several months with the Mathews I was shooting the same size groups as my PSE. The idea that new bows are so much better because of all of the advancements in design and tech is a scam to me. Its a great way to sell more bows not to make shooters more accurate. Just my personal experience and opinion.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

I mean Hoyt themselves would contradict that. A RX-3 from 2019 is shooting the exact same FPS and comes in 0.1lb lighter than a RX-9. From their own stats. It might be a bit smoother or different break over point, but that’s 90% preference of the shooter anyway.


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What IBO lists and actual speeds are two entirely different things. Nothing ever hits listed specs. But having bought three new Hoyts every year and chronographing them every time, I can tell you that the numbers I listed are real world. Same poundage. Same let off. Same arrow. Drastically different performance.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

I just don't see the improvements you do. 18 and 16 fps is a decent improvement but not worth the cost of a new bow to me. Everything else is more subjective, how it feels, how smooth it is does not directly translate into accuracy or killing more animals. The marketing videos, influencers and ads give us a placebo effect of how great all the new bows are. In reality they are not much different than the last several years. At the end of the day if people like getting new bows ever year or 2 go for it. I just don't see people (myself included) actually shooting any better. I had a 2014 PSE Premonition and upgraded to a Mathews Lift 33. After several months with the Mathews I was shooting the same size groups as my PSE. The idea that new bows are so much better because of all of the advancements in design and tech is a scam to me. Its a great way to sell more bows not to make shooters more accurate. Just my personal experience and opinion.

And that’s great. Everyone has to decide if something, anything really, is worth the asking price. There is nothing that is genuinely worth anything without humans attaching a value to it. Gold for instance.

For me, buying new toys even if there isn’t any real improvement, is worth it to me. Money doesn’t play much part in those decisions. I would have bought new like I do each year even if they had the same performance. The fact that they made so many changes is a bonus and knowing that it’s flying that much faster with the same arrow is a great bonus.

But I absolutely agree that it’s an individual decision and if someone is perfectly happy with a ten or fifteen year old bow, I’d still share a beer and a fire with them and never give it a second thought.

 

[NMJM]

And that’s great. Everyone has to decide if something, anything really, is worth the asking price. There is nothing that is genuinely worth anything without humans attaching a value to it. Gold for instance.

For me, buying new toys even if there isn’t any real improvement, is worth it to me. Money doesn’t play much part in those decisions. I would have bought new like I do each year even if they had the same performance. The fact that they made so many changes is a bonus and knowing that it’s flying that much faster with the same arrow is a great bonus.

But I absolutely agree that it’s an individual decision and if someone is perfectly happy with a ten or fifteen year old bow, I’d still share a beer and a fire with them and never give it a second thought.

100% agree.

 

[Treeratslayer]

And that’s great. Everyone has to decide if something, anything really, is worth the asking price. There is nothing that is genuinely worth anything without humans attaching a value to it. Gold for instance.

For me, buying new toys even if there isn’t any real improvement, is worth it to me. Money doesn’t play much part in those decisions. I would have bought new like I do each year even if they had the same performance. The fact that they made so many changes is a bonus and knowing that it’s flying that much faster with the same arrow is a great bonus.

But I absolutely agree that it’s an individual decision and if someone is perfectly happy with a ten or fifteen year old bow, I’d still share a beer and a fire with them and never give it a second thought.

I’ll be honest. I’m just jealous I can’t afford to do that. If I had the money I’m sure I’d buy one every year too.


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[Eastonsgrandpa]

I’ll be honest. I’m just jealous I can’t afford to do that. If I had the money I’m sure I’d buy one every year too.


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Nah. No jealousy. Just life stages. There was a time I was a single dad learning to raise a little girl after suddenly going from two incomes to one. Most weeks I didn’t know how I’d have enough gas to get to work.

But I worked hard and fought the fight. You’ll be there too. Just never give up and fight forward. Not too much competition these days for a man or woman who’s willing to sacrifice and work their ass off to get ahead. Embrace the stages and you’ll prosper.

 

[Maverick1]

Nothing could be further from the truth. If you believe this, you really gotta go shoot new bows side by side with your ten year old bow.

I can tell you that I have friends who still have bows like the Hoyt Carbon Defiant and the Mathews Vertix. I have done just that and the performance, feel, everything is night and day better.

Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.

Plus you have full integration, much better balance, and marginally lighter.

Technology is not always a moot point.

You have gained 18 and 16 fps. That is nice. What is the difference in arrow drop in inches at 40 yards?

 

[grainhog]

I don't think Mathews bows have improved substantially since v3x, and I don't plan to upgrade my 29" until they seem like they do. Dead, quiet, pretty fast, and tough.

 

[flyboy214]

I agree with you that mathews have not advanced significantly past the V3X line becuase that was where you can leverage the bridgelock sight and low pro quiver. My hunting bow since they came out has been the V3.

Just a few days ago I was able to get a lightly used RX-7 Ultra for just under 900. The used bow game is just as fun and way less exspensive. I could never go out and pay full price for a carbon bow. but I can watch ebay like a hawk once all the new bows drop.

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

You have gained 18 and 16 fps. That is nice. What is the difference in arrow drop in inches at 40 yards?

Not sure the reasoning behind the question so I may be misinterpreting, but if speed didn’t matter, we’d all be behind trad bows at 160 fps.

Even for those not concerned much with speed, they’d have to admit that at this stage in the advancement game, that’s a big leap.

 

[Muskykris]

Advancements like Mathews limbshift and bowtechs deadlock are nice. That being said I’m still shooting a 2019 PSE. Once I upgrade I’d be looking for something with tuning features.

 

[Treeratslayer]

Advancements like Mathews limbshift and bowtechs deadlock are nice. That being said I’m still shooting a 2019 PSE. Once I upgrade I’d be looking for something with tuning features.

I think that’s the next big thing. Speed and weight are maxed out. Time to make them friendly to being worked on in the back country.


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[dtrkyman]

They have done the work on without a press in the past, Martin, Bowtech and PSE all had models you could completely disassemble by backing out the limb bolts, PSE had models with four smaller limb bolts so you have tuned for limb/cam lean with that rig.

APA comes with a pin to lock out the cam so you can work on it.

I guess maybe they stopped so you had to go to the shop?

My nephew just got a new 24 lift 29.5 for 1020$, had to buy x amount in acc. to get the price but he was starting from scratch anyway.

 

[Maverick1]

Not sure the reasoning behind the question so I may be misinterpreting, but if speed didn’t matter, we’d all be behind trad bows at 160 fps.

Even for those not concerned much with speed, they’d have to admit that at this stage in the advancement game, that’s a big leap.

“Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.”

Feelings such as smoother and better valley and back wall are subjective.

Speed is speed. Objective and not subjective. If speed matters, how much does it matter.

Please answer the question posed: “You have gained 18 and 16 fps. That is nice. What is the difference in arrow drop in inches at 40 yards?”

 

[Eastonsgrandpa]

“Even just the jump from the RX8 Ultra and Alpha X 33 I had last year to today's bows of RX9 Ultra and AX-2 32 is completely different. I have gained 18 and 16 feet per second respectively and they are smoother with a much better valley and back wall.”

Feelings such as smoother and better valley and back wall are subjective.

Speed is speed. Objective and not subjective. If speed matters, how much does it matter.

Please answer the question posed: “You have gained 18 and 16 fps. That is nice. What is the difference in arrow drop in inches at 40 yards?”

So you think I kept my old bows so I could measure inches? Hardly. I gave last years bows away. What I do know is that those are the speed differences with the same arrows and settings. Kind of a stupid point to try making. I’m sure the difference in drop isn’t huge but the fact is that advancement was made and not by a small margin. My pins are much closer together and at 40 yards all of them sit within the kill zone size on a target. Regardless how much drop differences there are, the arrow is reaching the target faster and lessening the chance of a move out of the way.