The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[CRJR45]

He killed people who were worshipping Satan, sacrificing their children by heating up an alter red hot and setting a newborn on it until they burned to death. He warned them about 100x to stop then realized he had to kill them all to stop this horrific behavior. Why did he kill the infants along with everyone else? I don't know. Maybe they would grow up and learn the ways of their fathers. No group of people in the Bible was ever completely destroyed either. You always hear of the same people who were "destroyed" in later times. I don't completely understand this either. It sounds barbaric to me too. I can't justify all of the behavior, but I do believe God is just. Maybe I'll find out why some day.

This world is ruled by Lucifer not God. The Bible is very clear about that. All of our suffering has been brought on us by us. God didn't make your grandmother or mine suffer in a nursing home. Our actions as human beings and Satan did. My grandmother ate garbage food her entire life and never took care of herself. That's why she died from congestive heart failure and dementia. Why do babies get cancer? Could be from us polluting the Earth or incest 1,000 years ago causing a gene mutation who knows. I believe that the short time we spend on this Earth is completely insignificant. Whatever we suffer here pales in comparison to the suffering we would endure in hell. Belief in God comforts us in our suffering. One of the last things my grandmother said was now I get to be with Jesus. She was at peace. God was with her in her suffering, I don't believe he caused it.

I understand if you think this is nonsense, but I just wanted to try to give you a different perspective. Sorry about your grandmother. I was really close with mine. She pretty much raised me.

The difference between the way I look at life at you look at life comes down to this . I look at the facts and read into to them what I think the facts tell me .
You read the facts , but allow yourself to make wild suppositions to accept the things that you can't abide .
All this misconception about my grandma , people think I'm still hurt over someone that died in the 1980 , is laughable . Yes she died a terrible death , but we all will .

 

[CRJR45]

"While i appreciate your thoughts and gestures, you're dead wrong" sounds really appreciative....

you're a rather pissed off person. i didnt say anything that you're describing and you're lashing out again.

the way you conduct yourself is flawed. look at yourself? making assumptions and lashing out at those that are just trying to be kind and help you or at least try to engage peacefully. you clearly dont have the same thought in mind.

I dont feel or think im superior than you or anyone else. thats too much work and time for me to think about. but if you want to think thats my motive i couldnt care any less. you do you boo.

a hardened heart is a figure of speech and you know that. you just want to be angry and fight with people. have fun with that.

Or maybe , it's just how you perceive my replies ? What part of -I appreciate your thoughts and gesture - did you not understand ?
You are trying to help someone who is fine , but the implication that I need help is telling .

 

[socoalt]

Great point ! So every mention of god in the bible could be wrong ? Whoever wrote down the mention of a god could be lying ? Or just wrong ?
Say it ain't so .....

Haha! Now you’re just talking crazy.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

Or maybe , it's just how you perceive my replies ? What part of -I appreciate your thoughts and gesture - did you not understand ?
You are trying to help someone who is fine , but the implication that I need help is telling .

sounds good bud, glad you're fine. im wrong, you're right. Better?

 

[Texasbuckeye]

The difference between the way I look at life at you look at life comes down to this . I look at the facts and read into to them what I think the facts tell me .
You read the facts , but allow yourself to make wild suppositions to accept the things that you can't abide .
All this misconception about my grandma , people think I'm still hurt over someone that died in the 1980 , is laughable . Yes she died a terrible death , but we all will .

You used the terrible suffering your grandma went through at the assisted living facility as "proof" that God does not exist...

So let me ask yet a third time since you have not answered any time before...

If there is no God, and all we are left with is Nature, how can you say that nature doing what it does, dying is a very natural thing and unavoidable for us all, is a terrible thing and suffering is terrible? Isn't it just part of being what is, natural?

By what basis are you ascribing terrible and suffering vs natural and just nature?

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Or maybe , it's just how you perceive my replies ? What part of -I appreciate your thoughts and gesture - did you not understand ?
You are trying to help someone who is fine , but the implication that I need help is telling .

Its called reading the room dude. You came here, to a christian thread, and stated in no undeniable terms, THERE IS NO GOD, AND I WILL PROVE IT....then used some very emotionally charged words and situations (unfortunately most of us go through in our lives) and said that is your proof. And when someone says sorry for your loss, I went through something similar but here is how I handled it, you came back all defensive and said you are fine and got your panties in a wad....
now you are saying the implication you need help is telling enough. Social awareness of social IQ is not a requirement to post in any forum, but dang brother, either tone down your rhetoric and talk with the civility being shown you, or just turn off the radio channel. No one here is attacking you. Quite the opposite. And people are trying to talk to you. Maybe try listening instead of taking it as a full frontal attack. Put the shields down and lets converse. I really want to hear the logical critical thinking mind come out, but so far you have been really nothing more than an emotionbot and it is not good emotions popping from your posts.

 

[CRJR45]

You used the terrible suffering your grandma went through at the assisted living facility as "proof" that God does not exist...

So let me ask yet a third time since you have not answered any time before...

If there is no God, and all we are left with is Nature, how can you say that nature doing what it does, dying is a very natural thing and unavoidable for us all, is a terrible thing and suffering is terrible? Isn't it just part of being what is, natural?

By what basis are you ascribing terrible and suffering vs natural and just nature?

You just made my point , for the third time . Yes we all are going to die a horrible death , as nature intended .
If there was a loving god , the end of life would be gentle and demur , fall asleep and not wake up .

Now I'm sure you will find a way to justify her living in misery for the last ten years of her life to achieve the reward of heaven , but I want no part of that kind of god .
Thank you .

Its called reading the room dude. You came here, to a christian thread, and stated in no undeniable terms, THERE IS NO GOD, AND I WILL PROVE IT....then used some very emotionally charged words and situations (unfortunately most of us go through in our lives) and said that is your proof. And when someone says sorry for your loss, I went through something similar but here is how I handled it, you came back all defensive and said you are fine and got your panties in a wad....
now you are saying the implication you need help is telling enough. Social awareness of social IQ is not a requirement to post in any forum, but dang brother, either tone down your rhetoric and talk with the civility being shown you, or just turn off the radio channel. No one here is attacking you. Quite the opposite. And people are trying to talk to you. Maybe try listening instead of taking it as a full frontal attack. Put the shields down and lets converse. I really want to hear the logical critical thinking mind come out, but so far you have been really nothing more than an emotionbot and it is not good emotions popping from your posts.

Read the room ? It's a hunting forum , not a bible study . My grandmother was not a loss , it was the best thing when she died . I stated it as a fact , the only reason I brought it up was it made me realize how one sided her gods love was .
My panties are fine , it actually makes me laugh that you think I feel attacked . You clearly missed my points .

 

[Texasbuckeye]

I am not making any excuses for how someone dies, but I certainly do not use that to justify that there is no God as you are trying to do.

You said there is no God because your grandma suffered a terrible death. Explain how that proves there is no God.

And if there is no God, who is to say what is terrible and what is not? If we all suffer terrible deaths, is that not just the normal what we should expect out of nature?

You are using emotions and morals to argue the proof against God, are you not?

 

[JGRaider]

2 Cor 4:4
New International Version
The god of this age (Satan) has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

One sad reality of the non believer is that they most likely have children, and children tend to follow the ideals, principles, and morals taught to them by their parents. Non believers are betting the lives of their children that they are right, and the Christian faith is a bunch of baloney. Not a real good bet IMO.

Most of this discussion was very good. The problem is with those who participate who have no desire to learn anything or keep an open mind. Scripture tells us how to deal with these types of people. We are to share the gospel, but, when it becomes apparent that the gospel is not welcome, we are to move on. We are responsible to share the good news; we are not responsible for people’s response to the good news.

Matthew 7:6
New International Version
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

 

[go_deep]

For God so loved the world that he gave* his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
John 3:16

 

[CRJR45]

You want critical thinking ? Here ya go .
Take the four gospels , five if you believe in the gospel of Mary .
But four distinctly different versions of how it went down . Only one version can be right .
So , that means 75% is wrong . So , take the 75% wrong figure and apply it to the bible in toto , you get a 25% correct figure .
In what world would I believe something that at best might be 25 % right ? With that kind of error margin what could possibly hold any meaning ?


I do apologize to anybody that thinks I'm upset or lashing out at any one individual . I'm not , but maybe I'm not the best at communicating on here in text .

Rest assured , I'm fine , and thank you all for the worry .

 

[NVUplandHunter]

For God so loved the world that he gave* his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
John 3:16

loving all the scripture you're dropping in here! keep it going!

By chance, have you listened to Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz? its really really awesome.

 

[Plainsman79]

One sad reality of the non believer is that they most likely have children, and children tend to follow the ideals, principles, and morals taught to them by their parents. Non believers are betting the lives of their children that they are right, and the Christian faith is a bunch of baloney. Not a real good bet IMO.

Proverbs 22:6
“Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it”


Even NB’s would probably agree with this verse.

 

[Plainsman79]

You want critical thinking ? Here ya go .
Take the four gospels , five if you believe in the gospel of Mary .
But four distinctly different versions of how it went down . Only one version can be right .
So , that means 75% is wrong . So , take the 75% wrong figure and apply it to the bible in toto , you get a 25% correct figure .
In what world would I believe something that at best might be 25 % right ? With that kind of error margin what could possibly hold any meaning ?


I do apologize to anybody that thinks I'm upset or lashing out at any one individual . I'm not , but maybe I'm not the best at communicating on here in text .

Rest assured , I'm fine , and thank you all for the worry .

Take for example 4 different guys that went on a hunting trip and they all had an incredible trip.

Then when they are all in there 80’s ask them to tell the same story. It’s a 100% guarantee the stories will differ, but the outcome is the same. This is how the gospels were wrote. I keep a journal of all my hunting adventures, and to this day I can go back to recall hunts and some of the details I documented from 5 years ago I twisted in my own mind.

If every single detail in the gospels were exactly the same, wouldn’t that create more doubt that it was fabricated rather than all of then having a little different perspective with the same glorious outcome?

 

[CRJR45]

Take for example 4 different guys that went on a hunting trip and they all had an incredible trip.

Then when they are all in there 80’s ask them to tell the same story. It’s a 100% guarantee the stories will differ, but the outcome is the same. This is how the gospels were wrote. I keep a journal of all my hunting adventures, and to this day I can go back to recall hunts and some of the details I documented from 5 years ago I twisted in my own mind.

If every single detail in the gospels were exactly the same, wouldn’t that create more doubt that it was fabricated rather than all of then having a little different perspective with the same glorious outcome?

No , the bible is taken literally way to often for you , or anyone , to just trivialize the obvious mistakes .
Either it's all right , or it's up to speculation .
And that's all that's going on here , speculation .

 

[Yoder]

loving all the scripture you're dropping in here! keep it going!

By chance, have you listened to Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz? its really really awesome.

He is a big reason I'm a believer. I found his Bible in a year podcast 2 years ago. It's the first time I ever made it through the Bible and with his explanation, it's actually making a lot of sense. He explained so many things I always understood to be unfair or a contradiction. Things so many non-believers here have stated that kept me from believing, like why do "good" people die horrible deaths? I still listen almost every commute to work.

 

[go_deep]

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loving all the scripture you're dropping in here! keep it going!

By chance, have you listened to Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz? its really really awesome.

Listen to some of it, but not all of it. Father Mike in general is an amazing resource with all his YouTube videos he publishes, easy to understand explanations to so many things.
For anyone else that maybe hasn't heard of him, he's a great resource to better understand your faith.

 

[Plainsman79]

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No , the bible is taken literally way to often for you , or anyone , to just trivialize the obvious mistakes .
Either it's all right , or it's up to speculation .
And that's all that's going on here , speculation .

Sorry dude, you’re wrong.

It’s all right and if you let it, can be applied to every single aspect of your life.

I know God is real. He’s molded me into what I was, to what I currently am and what He will make me. He loves you deeply, more than you will ever know.

If you hear his voice today, harden not your heart.

May the peace of Christ be with you.

 

[Yoder]

No , the bible is taken literally way to often for you , or anyone , to just trivialize the obvious mistakes .
Either it's all right , or it's up to speculation .
And that's all that's going on here , speculation .

Most "obvious mistakes" are translation issues or people not understanding the culture 2k years ago. This thread has turned into Bugs and Daffy Duck arguing about rabbit or duck season. Or a good ol Uh huh, Nu uh argument that nobody will ever win. I understand your view, I'll just never agree. It's been good talking to you. I hope you have a good hunting season.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

He is a big reason I'm a believer. I found his Bible in a year podcast 2 years ago. It's the first time I ever made it through the Bible and with his explanation, it's actually making a lot of sense. He explained so many things I always understood to be unfair or a contradiction. Things so many non-believers here have stated that kept me from believing, like why do "good" people die horrible deaths? I still listen almost every commute to work.

dude i freakin love that. I have a similar story as well. My wife was listening to it in the kitchen once while we were engaged and the Holy Spirit had me hear the part where Fr. Mike talked about husbands being the household priest and its their job to guide the family. At that moment i knew i had to get my butt in gear and become a fully confirmed Catholic.

I tried 4 different times to get through the Bible in a Year and i finally finished a few weeks ago. i agree, it helped me understand so many things i was confused on or just didnt know at all.

I started going back to music on my morning drive and then quickly jumped back into the current episode of the podcast. my mornings and days are miles better when im surrounded by God's Word.