The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[go_deep]

This is the most recent analysis. And it’s fine that I know you don’t accept it findings but to say the Shroud is strong conclusive evidence is not the case. Even the Catholic Church takes no position on it.

I hope you have a great day, and good luck this fall.

 

[Beagle1]

The Catholic Church address this exact question. You will be judged based upon your knowledge and what information has been offered to you.

Yes but that is not the only Christian view. If you say, “God will judge them by what they knew,” then you’re actually conceding that faith in Christ might not be the only path to salvation which contradicts the claims many Christians make.

I hope you have a great day, and good luck this fall.

Thank you. If you kill a big buck , please leave me a bigger one.

 

[go_deep]

Yes but that is not the only Christian view. If you say, “God will judge them by what they knew,” then you’re actually conceding that faith in Christ might not be the only path to salvation which contradicts the claims many Christians make.

Thank you. If you kill a big buck , please leave me a bigger one.

No contradiction, you can't have faith in something you didn't know existed, but you will be judged by what you were told.

 

[JREG19]

Beagle1, what is your motive here?

Is it to change people's mind on Christianity?

Is it just to argue?

You aren't going to change anyone's mind and it seems like nobody is going to change yours... Hunting season is coming up pretty quick, you should get off your computer and go scout. Life is short.

 

[JGRaider]

Yes, we will see someday. And as I’ve mentioned before, I’ve already addressed the “free will” argument. But since it keeps coming up, let me ask you this:

Do you honestly believe a person born into a remote Amazonian tribe with no access to a Bible, church, missionary, or even the name of Jesus—has the same free will to find Christian salvation as someone born in Georgia or Texas with churches all over.

How is that “equal opportunity” free will salvation?

All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God’s grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

 

[Falconer0311]

Amen

 

[Beagle1]

No contradiction, you can't have faith in something you didn't know existed, but you will be judged by what you were told.

Not according to JG Raider in #905.

 

[Beagle1]

Beagle1, what is your motive here?

Is it to change people's mind on Christianity?

Is it just to argue?

You aren't going to change anyone's mind and it seems like nobody is going to change yours... Hunting season is coming up pretty quick, you should get off your computer and go scout. Life is short.

No ulterior motive. I like to discuss different interpretations, inconsistencies , contradictions, etc. As I have said before if nonbelievers views are not welcome on a religious thread just state that at the beginning and I’ll stay out of it.

I am outdoors more than most and scout plenty. I agree life is short.

 

[JGRaider]

Not according to JG Raider in #905.

That's God's word, not something JG came up with. Big difference.

 

[go_deep]

 

[E tusk]

Jesus is King forevermore.

 

[Beagle1]

Not according to JG Raider in #905.

Ok how about this. Your response in #905 based on the Bible verses you cited is the standard evangelical/ conservative Christian position but other denominations hold different ones.

 

[JGRaider]

Ok how about this. Your response in #905 based on the Bible verses you cited is the standard evangelical/ conservative Christian position but other denominations hold different ones.

Once again, it doesn't matter what anyone believes. All that matters is the Truth. You may not believe in gravity either. Crawl up on a 3 story building and jump off and see how that works out.

 

[go_deep]

Ok how about this. Your response in #905 based on the Bible verses you cited is the standard evangelical/ conservative Christian position but other denominations hold different ones.

Here's the one fact we do know. If you've been afforded the opportunity to hear about God and still turn your back to him, deny him till the day you die, lead other away from him intentionally, that is what you'll be judge on.

 

[Beagle1]

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I hope that if I had posted a sarcastic line at your expense, you and other believers here wouldn’t be too offended. Humor cuts both ways.

 

[go_deep]

I hope that if I had posted a sarcastic line at your expense, you and other believers here wouldn’t be too offended. Humor cuts both ways.

C. S. Lewis is not sarcastic, he's a gentlemen that spoke hard truths, that sometimes are to hard for people to hear.
And that post wasn't aimed at anyone, if you felt like it spoke to you, then so be it.

 

[Beagle1]

Here's the one fact we do know. If you've been afforded the opportunity to hear about God and still turn your back to him, deny him till the day you die, lead other away from him intentionally, that is what you'll be judge on.

As I mentioned before, several Christian denominations allow for the possibility that sincere nonbelievers, including believers of other faiths and atheists, may not be automatically condemned, especially if they have lived moral lives, sought truth, and acted in good conscience.

 

[go_deep]

@Beagle1 you've been afforded the opportunity to know and hear about the salvation our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has offered you. What your asking is a great deflective theological question, that I answered previously already, but the better question is what will you do with the message you've been blessed with hearing?

Christ's peace be with you brother.

 

[Beagle1]

C. S. Lewis is not sarcastic, he's a gentlemen that spoke hard truths, that sometimes are to hard for people to hear.
And that post wasn't aimed at anyone, if you felt like it spoke to you, then so be it.

I am aware of C. S. Lewis. I read most of his books in my younger days.

He spoke truths from his perspective just as others do from theirs. Like you I hope pointed comments going both ways do not offend.

 

[dylanvb]

Good conversation.