The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[Nicaburns]

Truth isn’t determined by a résumé, it’s determined by evidence.

You may want to reconsider that statement… I think you will find that TRUTH is immutable and not established by evidence. The earth was round even when some thought they had “evidence” to the contrary. Evidence may confirm truth but truth is truth regardless of whether we yet have the evidence or whether all parties agree on the weight of the evidence. If in fact Jesus is God, as He claimed to be, then that is truth regardless of the amount of evidence we encounter… the reverse is correct as well.

 

[Beagle1]

Science lead then to be deeply immersed into their faith, because science showed them there was a creator.

I do believe we can shake hands and agree to disagree on this topic, have a good day.

I have no problem shaking hands with a person I disagree with.

 

[Beagle1]

You may want to reconsider that statement… I think you will find that TRUTH is immutable and not established by evidence. The earth was round even when some thought they had “evidence” to the contrary. Evidence may confirm truth but truth is truth regardless of whether we yet have the evidence or whether all parties agree on the weight of the evidence. If in fact Jesus is God, as He claimed to be, then that is truth regardless of the amount of evidence we encounter… the reverse is correct as well.

You’re confusing truth with belief. The earth was round even when people believed otherwise. But the only way to prove that was through evidence. Countless religions claim contradictory "truths" with deep sincerity — they can't all be correct. Evidence is what helps us sort between competing claims. For centuries, people, including Christians, believed disease was caused by sin, demons, or divine punishment. But the truth was always that germs caused disease, even before germ theory existed. It took scientific evidence, not belief, to uncover that. Saying “Jesus is God whether there’s evidence or not” might express personal conviction, but it’s not how we establish truth in any meaningful way.

 

[go_deep]

You’re confusing truth with belief. The earth was round even when people believed otherwise. But the only way to prove that was through evidence. Countless religions claim contradictory "truths" with deep sincerity — they can't all be correct. Evidence is what helps us sort between competing claims. For centuries, people, including Christians, believed disease was caused by sin, demons, or divine punishment. But the truth was always that germs caused disease, even before germ theory existed. It took scientific evidence, not belief, to uncover that. Saying “Jesus is God whether there’s evidence or not” might express personal conviction, but it’s not how we establish truth in any meaningful way.

Christ's peace be with you @Beagle1

 

[Plainsman79]

I either forgot this or am learning it for the first time today.

Pastor Mike never says what the end result will be to the non-believers during the Second Coming (it's not good) but the bible is quoted in the comments to reveal an NB's fate.

Link HERE.


Eddie

It’s talked about in today’s gospel reading what will happen. The weeds will be separated from the wheat.

There is no other book or collection of books that is relevant to every person on earth, every single day of their life. It’s not humanly possible for a man to write such a book. That’s why we call it the “Word of God”



24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26;When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27;“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29;“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

 

[Beagle1]

@Beagle1
How does science disprove God exists when the Bible has no scientific claims?

Other than the miracles of the Bible which still happen in today’s age. We have plenty of modern stories of people who had stage 4 cancer and miraculously are healed from cancer all together with no other explanation. I can go on and on about these other stories that we all know and hear about. Science can’t even explain those.

I have responded to the points made in your post in many of my prior posts so I’ll try a quick summary here.

Science doesn’t set out to “disprove” God but it does it investigate claims about how the natural world works using evidence.

But when religious texts like the Bible make specific claims about the natural world, like talking animals, a global flood, 900-year-old humans, or miraculous healings, they do intersect with science. Those are claims that science can look at. And the miracle stories you mention? Anecdotes aren’t evidence. Spontaneous remission, misdiagnosis, or unknown biological factors aren’t proof of divine intervention.

Similar “miracles “ happen to people of all religions and nonbelievers. If someone claimed they were healed by a crystal or a vodoo doctor would you accept it as proof of magical supernatural powers or would you ask for evidence. Even though science can’t explain everything doesn’t mean faith beliefs of any religion without verifiable evidence get to fill the gaps as the truth.

 

[MoBowHntR1]

Fearing the Lord is the beginning of the knowledge to understand true wisdom.

 

[Plainsman79]

if you would have known me in my late teens, early twenties, and now, you'd wouldn't believe we were the same person.

You and me both brother! Jesus is in the business of changing people’s hearts deep within them. It’s a miraculous transformation that so many people can attest to.

Simply put-If there is anyone reading this, that is on the fence about believing in Jesus Christ or going through hard times or just feels like there’s nowhere else to turn. Find a quiet place with no outside distractions and talk to Him daily even if it’s only for a few minutes before you get out of bed or before you fall asleep. I can promise you he is listening and loves you beyond anything we can understand. He wants a relationship with you. Don’t walk to Him, RUN!

 

[dylanvb]

I have responded to the points made in your post in many of my prior posts so I’ll try a quick summary here.

Science doesn’t set out to “disprove” God but it does it investigate claims about how the natural world works using evidence.

But when religious texts like the Bible make specific claims about the natural world, like talking animals, a global flood, 900-year-old humans, or miraculous healings, they do intersect with science. Those are claims that science can look at. And the miracle stories you mention? Anecdotes aren’t evidence. Spontaneous remission, misdiagnosis, or unknown biological factors aren’t proof of divine intervention.

Similar “miracles “ happen to people of all religions and nonbelievers. If someone claimed they were healed by a crystal or a vodoo doctor would you accept it as proof of magical supernatural powers or would you ask for evidence. Even though science can’t explain everything doesn’t mean faith beliefs of any religion without verifiable evidence get to fill the gaps as the truth.

There you said it. Science doesn’t disprove God.

Let’s get back to the historicity of the Bible because that’s again undeniable.

 

[Nicaburns]

You’re confusing truth with belief. The earth was round even when people believed otherwise.

No sir… you are proving my point… truth is immutable… regardless of belief. That is not a religious statement… it is, by definition,truth whether sufficient evidence exists in one’s opinion or not. Truth, by nature is not reliant on how much evidence exists to “prove” it.

 

[Valsport]

No sir… you are proving my point… truth is immutable… regardless of belief. That is not a religious statement… it is, by definition,truth whether sufficient evidence exists in one’s opinion or not. Truth, by nature is not reliant on how much evidence exists to “prove” it.
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Negatory broheim. The author and creator himself says, when the spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. So deceiving or deceptive things against the will of the lord have nothing in a re born man.

 

[Nicaburns]

Negatory broheim. The author and creator himself says, when the spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. So deceiving or deceptive things against the will of the lord have nothing in a re born man.

You misunderstand, I am a believer and trust that Jesus IS The Way, and The Truth, and The Life.
Truth is by definition immutable and not dependent on one’s beliefs or the amount of “evidence”… Jesus was God before there was a mankind to know any evidence of Him.

 

[Valsport]

You misunderstand, I am a believer and trust that Jesus IS The Way, and The Truth, and The Life.
Truth is by definition immutable and not dependent on one’s beliefs or the amount of “evidence”… Jesus was God before there was a mankind to know any evidence of Him.

Amen brother!

 

[BenHankins]

When you experience a true move of God in your life you won’t have to question, you won’t worry what any other man has to say. According to the Word of God He loves you, He cares about every aspect of your life. No one has all the answers, but for me personally, and what I’ve experienced, I am going to trust in the Lord. I hope you all do too. The God I serves doesn’t force anyone, it’s by your own true will who you will serve, but it’s a two way street. If you believe in God you better believe the only instruction left for us. There is a heaven and a hell. You take your chances and I’ll take mine. The more time you spend with God the more real He’ll be to you.


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[Beagle1]

No sir… you are proving my point… truth is immutable… regardless of belief. That is not a religious statement… it is, by definition,truth whether sufficient evidence exists in one’s opinion or not. Truth, by nature is not reliant on how much evidence exists to “prove” it.
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No but I see you refuse to understand that.

 

[Nicaburns]

No but I see you refuse to understand that.

Then i misunderstood your point… my limited language understanding leads me to believe that:

Truth=Immutable regardless of belief or evidence.

Belief=Variable and dependent on one’s assessment of evidence.

Not meant as a slight toward you if our vocabulary differs.

 

[Beagle1]

There you said it. Science doesn’t disprove God.

Let’s get back to the historicity of the Bible because that’s again undeniable.

Before I get to your historicity. Do you believe the testable claims in the Bible about the physical world such as talking animals, worldwide floods, and humans living 900 years are true. If so what is your proof besides that they are in the Bible.

Historicity. The Bible refers to real people and places. To say it is undeniably historically accurate because of that is false. Biblical scholars including Christian ones along with archaeologists have pointed this out. Under your view historical novels would actually be accurate history. But they are just books of fiction that contain historical events and people.

 

[Beagle1]

Then i misunderstood your point… my limited language understanding leads me to believe that:

Truth=Immutable regardless of belief or evidence.

Belief=Variable and dependent on one’s assessment of evidence.

Not meant as a slight toward you if our vocabulary differs.

No slight taken.

 

[Fujicon]

One man's truth is another man's deception. The miracle of subjectivity...

 

[OKHunter84]

I think the most important part about the Bible people miss is they see it as one book because it's all within one cover, it's not one book, it's 73 books complied together into one place, called the Bible. So when people disregard the "book" called the Bible as one source, they disregarded 73 different books, 73 different sources pointing at one thing.

There's 66 books in the bible. What other 7 books are your referencing? Honestly curious, not trying to be a douche