The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[Beagle1]

Beagle, I quoted that Isaiah scripture after my point 4, which was discussing how this thread is spiritual warfare. If you want to "think" you are part of the spiritual realm and you are some dark lord who is battling Jesus (and will lose) then go right ahead. I say this with all humbleness and sincerity, you simply do not know what you do not know. That was not directed at ANY poster on this thread, but simply as an encouragement to the posters on this thread.

The one rude sarcastic post I referenced in #1390 was not the only one in this thread, there are more, and some were even taken down after being reported,. So read into my straw man argument any way you prefer, but the reality is you misread that and I called you out, just take it and own it. Being humble is sometimes a good posture to have, and one we all struggle with.

I said before I would not reply to any of your posts, so I am going to stick to that now. Feel free to attack me or my posts however you like. I just wanted you to see that I wasn't simply tone-policing and laying insults. You really did not read my post correctly, or you are reading way too much into it that isn't there. Whatever the situation, it might be good for us all to check ourselves before we post replies in the future.

This isn’t about tone or “reading comprehension.” It’s about a pattern: you frame skeptics as pawns of dark powers, you quote verses about God trampling enemies right after that, then claim anyone who points out the connection just “misread” you. You spotlight one sarcastic comment (or a few deleted ones) to smear nonbelievers as a whole, then say straw man when the charge is turned back on you. And when objections resurface, instead of answering them, you dismiss them as “rehashes” and announce you won’t reply anymore.

None of that resolves the arguments, it just sidesteps them. If you really believe the objections are weak, then show it by engaging them directly. Until then, every unanswered critique just stands there, stronger for having been ignored.

And the old “I won’t reply anymore”? Always easier than answering the actual question.

 

[Hill Difficulty]

JackB and thinhorn_AK and Beagle1 are asking a lot of great questions that the Bible can answer.

Unfortunately, you guys are being fed a lot of unbiblical misinformation. Keep in mind that unbelievers and believers are corrupted by sin. All of us share the tendency to see ourselves as "wise in his own eyes."

Feel free to ask a sincere question (thinhorn's #1,374 is a great question!). And to JackB, God also created Satan, Hitler...

 

[JGRaider]

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JackB and thinhorn_AK and Beagle1 are asking a lot of great questions that the Bible can answer.

Unfortunately, you guys are being fed a lot of unbiblical misinformation. Keep in mind that unbelievers and believers are corrupted by sin. All of us share the tendency to see ourselves as "wise in his own eyes."

Feel free to ask a sincere question (thinhorn's #1,374 is a great question!). And to JackB, God also created Satan, Hitler...

Those great questions have already been answered in this thread, they just don't want to acknowledge the answers.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Those great questions have already been answered in this thread, they just don't want to acknowledge the answers.

Believers and non-believers alike are corrupted by sin for sure, and to think we believers are any "better" than a non-believer is folly. However, I agree, these questions have been asked and answered and the answers are just not able to be processed by someone who does not understand what is really at play here.

Let me give an example:

I am a physician, and in explaining something about a medical condition, it is imperative for me to try to make things as simple as possible to be able to be understood by the patient. However, when explaining something to an adult who has an understanding of anatomy, physiology, chemistry or other sciences, it is easier to explain something than it is to a kindergartener who understands only what play time is and what they like to eat.

The same conversations are happening in this thread. I am not accusing anyone of not having full intellectual capabilities in this thread at all, but to ask a non-religious, non-Christian atheist or agnostic to understand almost anything being discussed in this thread (aside form their questions or arguments) is like asking a brand new believer to discuss the theology of the trinity. It just isn't something they can really grasp, because they just do not know what they don't know. it would be like me having a non-physician patient try to explain back to me the disease which I just diagnosed and have them be able to discuss the nuances and problems with the treatment with me. It just isn't going to happen because they don't even know what they don't know.

I am not trying to be mean here, and some have come for actual good questions and knowledge seeking, but there are definitely some on here who want nothing more than to trip up believers and try to drive home a point that faith is not provable (yeah, tell us something we don't already know). The fact there are people who are liking those posts without any history of commenting in this thread also tells me there are people watching and lurking. We (me, I am pointing my finger at me) have to be careful with what we are saying and how it is said. And I am sure there will be plenty who feel this is a complete insult to the non-believers calling them intellectual kindergartners, when I did not say anything of the sort.

This is not to say we dodge any questions posited, but we have to seek the motivation for the question and when it becomes obvious the motivating factor is simply "debate" then it might be time to move along.