The 22 creedmoor thread

[acochran]

22” PBB Tikka Prefit
41.5 N555
80 eldm @ 3255
Impact velocity 3100 fps

Buck was broadside, shot in the crease. Huge entry wound, fragments on offside rib cage. Ran about 30 yards. Both lungs had massive trauma. This seemed like a good test of pushing the upper end for this bullet. I probably wouldn’t put it on the shoulder at that speed going forward.

 

[HuntHarder]

I guess I don’t really get your complaint. They’re not going far enough to need a trail. If you have some nasty thick stuff they’re close to, and you can’t risk them getting to it, shoot base of neck, or through the front shoulders.

This is exactly what irritates people. He is stating his one thing he dislikes about the .22 Cm and you try and convince him it's not an issue.... Cool, if it's not for you, but it is for him.

 

[wirehead]

This is exactly what irritates people. He is stating his one thing he dislikes about the .22 Cm and you try and convince him it's not an issue.... Cool, if it's not for you, but it is for him.

I understand the complaint about blood trail. There are thick deer areas I hunt where a 30-50 run with no trail would make for a brutal track job. I think this is common on the east coast.

I’m curious how a 75 gr gold dot would perform out of a 22 creed. Anyone?

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I didn't say I needed more. I said my only complaint is the lack of blood trails. Not always an issue, but anyone that has tried to find a deer in thick cover and poor tracking ground in the dark knows how much blood can help. It's not enough to make me change immediately but it's enough to make me notice it.

ELDMs in what I’ve seen in general are quite catastrophic, but lots of times can end up with shallow and round in shape wounds. In saying that I’ve also seen unimpressive narrow wounds with them, but those are far less common.

If you’re after more blood trails, how big around the bullet is doesn’t correlate to exits more often. What correlates to exists more often in general is bullet construction that tends to cause more narrow wounds or what folks call “penciling through”. Also, depending on shot placement, even with a “good exit” blood loss to the ground can be quite minimal in many cases.

This is achievable if desired, just know that it comes with the following caveats which I’m sure you’re probably aware of.

.Longer time to death on average.
.Longer average animal distance travelled after hit.
.No guarantee of “exit” so you’re getting the same undesired result just with a bullet that takes longer to kill.

One thing I’ve done over the last few years, if I have an animal in thick terrain or it’s close to last light and I want the best chance of the animal “not going anywhere” is deviating from my shot placement if the animal gives me the chance.

I’ve found that an aim point of where the scapula meets the thoracic vertebrae is the place to shoot. Think way higher than you’d normally aim, where the shoulder and spine meet.

With “fragmenting” bullets these shots are devastating. With high likelihood of paralysis as well as bullet fragments making their way into vitals. I have had to use follow up kill shots using this shot location, but it’s quite effective for “anchoring” animals as folks say.

 

[Schmo]

This is exactly what irritates people. He is stating his one thing he dislikes about the .22 Cm and you try and convince him it's not an issue.... Cool, if it's not for you, but it is for him.

I’m not trying to be a jerk here, but I am trying to get a point across. My bad if I came across wrong.

I understand the complaint about blood trail. There are thick deer areas I hunt where a 30-50 run with no trail would make for a brutal track job. I think this is common on the east coast.

I’m curious how a 75 gr gold dot would perform out of a 22 creed. Anyone?

Again, I’m asking, not trying to be a moron, but what bullet is going to guarantee a blood trail?

ELDMs in what I’ve seen in general are quite catastrophic, but lots of times can end up with shallow and round in shape wounds. In saying that I’ve also seen unimpressive narrow wounds with them, but those are far less common.

If you’re after more blood trails, how big around the bullet is doesn’t correlate to exits more often. What correlates to exists more often in general is bullet construction that tends to cause more narrow wounds or what folks call “penciling through”. Also, depending on shot placement, even with a “good exit” blood loss to the ground can be quite minimal in many cases.

This is achievable if desired, just know that it comes with the following caveats which I’m sure you’re probably aware of.

.Longer time to death on average.
.Longer average animal distance travelled after hit.
.No guarantee of “exit” so you’re getting the same undesired result just with a bullet that takes longer to kill.

One thing I’ve done over the last few years, if I have an animal in thick terrain or it’s close to last light and I want the best chance of the animal “not going anywhere” is deviating from my shot placement if the animal gives me the chance.

I’ve found that an aim point of where the scapula meets the thoracic vertebrae is the place to shoot. Think way higher than you’d normally aim, where the shoulder and spine meet.

With “fragmenting” bullets these shots are devastating. With high likelihood of paralysis as well as bullet fragments making their way into vitals. I have had to use follow up kill shots using this shot location, but it’s quite effective for “anchoring” animals as folks say.

You hit the nail on the head. People want a tough bullet so they can have a blood trail. But a trail is not guaranteed. The tougher bullets typically take longer to kill. So do you want a 100-150 tracking job through thick nasty stuff, or would you rather the high odds that your animal is within 50 yards of the impact location? Also, to your other point, I don’t get why people are so opposed to changing their aiming point when the situation calls for it. I don’t mean unethical shot placement. But some people won’t aim anywhere except for the crease. Well if it’s nasty stuff that I don’t want to track in, I’m going for shoulder or base of neck. Take out the running gear or CNS, and they don’t go far at all. I’m guessing part of the hesitancy for people to do this is that it’s not the shot placement that’s “perfect”. “Perfect” is tucked right behind the shoulder. Maybe there’s a stigma if you don’t shoot that spot?

 

[wirehead]

Again, I’m asking, not trying to be a moron, but what bullet is going to guarantee a blood trail?

I thought about that question and I’m really not sure… trying to realize a data-based perspective through people sharing experiences on RS is tricky and comments like “very little blood trail” are added to “didn’t go 20” for these small caliber threads that may otherwise never be mentioned if the context wasn’t associated with performance of a particular bullet/cartridge. So if all the thumpers running frangible bullets reported on their frequency of blood trails, would it be higher? I do not know… I also don’t know what “little / small blood trail” means to different people. For those that bow and rifle hunt, how would I be classify the blood trail from a good dub-lung shot with quality broad head?

Bonded or copper bullet - blood trail, maybe… probably?
Fast-upset / frangible bullet - Dead animal faster, probably.

Or combo of both… 75 gold dot…? I’m curious.