The 22 creedmoor thread

[david2duck]

Pulled a 6.5prc barrel and replaced it with a prefit from @hereinaz. 16” 22cm w/.120fb. Hopefully shoot it tomorrow. I bought 40 rounds of the 77bthp and 60 rounds of the 85bthp from mead while it was on sale so we’ll see how it does as well.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Perfect. Thanks guys. Thanks for the barrel pics too.

Anyone done a Plus P throating on a 22 Creed?

+Ping and fluting barrels…. Stop it. Haha.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Pulled a 6.5prc barrel and replaced it with a prefit from @hereinaz. 16” 22cm w/.120fb. Hopefully shoot it tomorrow. I bought 40 rounds of the 77bthp and 60 rounds of the 85bthp from mead while it was on sale so we’ll see how it does as well.
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Want!

Can you please measure from the furthest point of the forend to the end of the threads?

Rokstoks have long foreends and I want to make sure a 16” barrel will fit the OG can with no interference to the stock. Looks like it will clear.

Maybe @Formidilosus already knows the answer?

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

With the Stockys VG a 14” barrel clears fine with the OG. If I remember right, the rokstok is a bit longer than the Stockys but could be remembering poorly. Not at home to check my gun room.

 

[Formidilosus]

Want!

Can you please measure from the furthest point of the forend to the end of the threads?

Rokstoks have long foreends and I want to make sure a 16” barrel will fit the OG can with no interference to the stock. Looks like it will clear.

Maybe @Formidilosus already knows the answer?

16” works fine. 15” will too, I don’t think a 14” barrel would.

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[david2duck]

 

[Deadspace]

16” works fine. 15” will too, I don’t think a 14” barrel would.

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How about on the rokstok lite? How short can you go with one of those?

 

[Formidilosus]

How about on the rokstok lite? How short can you go with one of those?

13”, maybe 12.5”.

 

[david2duck]

Pretty happy so far. This is the first barrel pull/install I’ve done by myself from start to finish. One sighter at 50y then shot 5 at 100y with the mead 77bthp. Then a quick adjustment and two more. It was averaging 2900 out of the 16” barrel. It got hot quick this morning and mirage was terrible so I went out to distance. My buddy and I shot the next 12 at 752y and averaged 1.5moa. Mainly wanted to see what it would do and form some brass. I’ll load up some 88’s and H4350 here in the next week or so.

 

[waspocrew]

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Pretty happy so far. This is the first barrel pull/install I’ve done by myself from start to finish. One sighter at 50y then shot 5 at 100y with the mead 77bthp. Then a quick adjustment and two more. It was averaging 2900 out of the 16” barrel. It got hot quick this morning and mirage was terrible so I went out to distance. My buddy and I shot the next 12 at 752y and averaged 1.5moa. Mainly wanted to see what it would do and form some brass. I’ll load up some 88’s and H4350 here in the next week or so.

Looks like a good start to me! The Mead ammo is a pretty good deal at $30/box right now. My rifle seemed to like the 85 gr flavor a little better than the 77s.

 

[david2duck]

Looks like a good start to me! The Mead ammo is a pretty good deal at $30/box right now. My rifle seemed to like the 85 gr flavor a little better than the 77s.

Peterson brass alone is around $1 a piece, give or take. For .50 more I get a loaded round that so far is shooting good. I’ll take it. I’m going to test the 85’s next trip. If it shoots well I’m going to buy another 100 rounds to practice with and then reload the brass.

 

[Redbaron307]

Does anyone know what powder and primer Hornady uses in the 80g ELDX factory loads? I plan on calling today but I don’t feel like they’re going to give out their secret sauce, they’d probably rather see you buy their factory ammo. Finally got out to shoot my new 22 creed last night and I was absolutely blown away with the accuracy out of the factory loads. If I hadn’t already ordered all the reloading components I would probably just shoot factory for a while. TIA!

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Does anyone know what powder and primer Hornady uses in the 80g ELDX factory loads? I plan on calling today but I don’t feel like they’re going to give out their secret sauce, they’d probably rather see you buy their factory ammo. Finally got out to shoot my new 22 creed last night and I was absolutely blown away with the accuracy out of the factory loads. If I hadn’t already ordered all the reloading components I would probably just shoot factory for a while. TIA!

Factory 80 ELDX, lot to lot, has been pretty shitty for me.

I had one lot of 1,500 rounds that was excellent, one lot that was acceptable, and 3 lots now that have been unacceptable and went back direct to Hornady.

You’re better off reloading honestly. H4350 and CCI 200s is where I’d start. I’ve used Hornady, Lapua, and Alpha brass so far. Sticking with the Alpha.

 

[RWT]

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Factory 80 ELDX, lot to lot, has been pretty shitty for me.

I had one lot of 1,500 rounds that was excellent, one lot that was acceptable, and 3 lots now that have been unacceptable and went back direct to Hornady.

You’re better off reloading honestly. H4350 and CCI 200s is where I’d start. I’ve used Hornady, Lapua, and Alpha brass so far. Sticking with the Alpha.

This is what has me staying away from the 22CM at this time. Limited ammo suppliers means I am stuck with an unsupported chambering that I have to reload if I want it accurate. Had a 300RSAUM. Glad I am out of it. Once major manufacturers have a 22CM rifle offered the ammo manufacturers will follow. If Savage or Ruger puts one out, I will order a barrel. I want one, but am willing to wait. I don’t NEED one. The 223 does not everything I want sub 300 yards.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I want one, but am willing to wait. I don’t NEED one. The 223 does not everything I want sub 300 yards.

Sub 300? What bullets and barrel length? My 223 with 77 TMK's is effective at or close to 600 yards at most my hunting DA's.

 

[RWT]

Sub 300? What bullets and barrel length? My 223 with 77 TMK's is effective at or close to 600 yards at

Sub 300? What bullets and barrel length? My 223 with 77 TMK's is effective at or close to 600 yards at most my hunting DA's.

A 16” and 18”. I have some AAC 77TMKs to hunt with and AAC 75 BT’s for practice. Whitetail and hogs. Very very few opportunities past 300 yards. Used the 223 for years to get kids on their first big game animal. However after being here I realized we used the wrong bullets for them, especially large hogs. I hate trailing them and there is no exit wound so no blood trail. They generally run and I want to recover the animal for the kids. For me that’s a big deal. Shot placement is normally good, but the big hogs are a challenge. For new shooters we keep shots to 150 yard or less. The 223 kills, but just not fast enough. I switched to a 6.5 Grendel with ELDM’s or SST’s and it solved the problem. My thought was to try a 22CM for the greater velocity to offset the lighter weight bullet. I believe both kill without an issue, it’s just the heavier bullet seems to do it faster as long as it is above 1800 fps. NOTE- I have yet to kill anything with the 77’s. Learned about them here last year and bought some as soon as I could find them. Plan is to test them on hogs. If they drop quickly I’ll buy more.

I used the 22-250 for a few years on a high fence ranch that needed to cull 125 does per year to get back into a healthy heard. I consider the 22CM a faster 22-250 with better bullets available in factory load for twist rate.

I consolidated into 223/556, 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 CM for easier bullet selection. I am preparing for retirement in the next 5 years and will take up reloading again then. This puts the 22CM in my want list as my “big” 22.

 

[Lawnboi]

Sub 300? What bullets and barrel length? My 223 with 77 TMK's is effective at or close to 600 yards at most my hunting DA's.

Capable and practical might be the correct comparison.

600 with my 223, in decently high DA leaves me with sub 1700fps and a bullet that moves 2 tenths with every mph of wind. Even with a good wind call, say to within 3mph, you’re looking at potentially 6 tenths of error. Most guys are not that good at calling wind, I know I’m not. This is just a best case hypothetical scenario.

Originally I went with the 22 creed to up my wind number, not necessarily extend range. Though I do really like what these tipped bullets do at 2k-2500fps impact velocity.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

A 16” and 18”. I have some AAC 77TMKs to hunt with and AAC 75 BT’s for practice. Whitetail and hogs. Very very few opportunities past 300 yards. Used the 223 for years to get kids on their first big game animal. However after being here I realized we used the wrong bullets for them, especially large hogs. I hate trailing them and there is no exit wound so no blood trail. They generally run and I want to recover the animal for the kids. For me that’s a big deal. Shot placement is normally good, but the big hogs are a challenge. For new shooters we keep shots to 150 yard or less. The 223 kills, but just not fast enough. I switched to a 6.5 Grendel with ELDM’s or SST’s and it solved the problem. My thought was to try a 22CM for the greater velocity to offset the lighter weight bullet. I believe both kill without an issue, it’s just the heavier bullet seems to do it faster as long as it is above 1800 fps. NOTE- I have yet to kill anything with the 77’s. Learned about them here last year and bought some as soon as I could find them. Plan is to test them on hogs. If they drop quickly I’ll buy more.

I used the 22-250 for a few years on a high fence ranch that needed to cull 125 does per year to get back into a healthy heard. I consider the 22CM a faster 22-250 with better bullets available in factory load for twist rate.

I consolidated into 223/556, 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 CM for easier bullet selection. I am preparing for retirement in the next 5 years and will take up reloading again then. This puts the 22CM in my want list as my “big” 22.

Yeah hard to argue with 129 SSTs in the 6.5s. More bang flops with those on deer and elk than probably any other bullet I’ve used. The 80 ELDX at 22CM speeds has been very impressive so far as well.

If you truly are after the animals “going nowhere” for easy recovery for the youngsters, I’ve found that an aim point of where the scapula meets the thoracic vertebrae is the place to shoot. On deer and elk as well. Sometime a follow up shot is required but they certainly don’t go anywhere, or very far with that spot being hit with rapidly expanding bullets.

On a pig, see the black arrow I added below. Any of those first three large thoracic vertebrae immediately after the smaller cervical vertebrae, and you still often get fragmentation and wounds traveling down into vitals. Pretty devastating shot placement.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Capable and practical might be the correct comparison.

600 with my 223, in decently high DA leaves me with sub 1700fps and a bullet that moves 2 tenths with every mph of wind. Even with a good wind call, say to within 3mph, you’re looking at potentially 6 tenths of error. Most guys are not that good at calling wind, I know I’m not. This is just a best case hypothetical scenario.

Originally I went with the 22 creed to up my wind number, not necessarily extend range. Though I do really like what these tipped bullets do at 2k-2500fps impact velocity.

On this particular morning, my max range to 1,800 FPS with this particularly fast 16" barrel was right at 550 yards I believe. I regularly practice with my 223 and 77 TMKs much further than that. Think consistent hits, in wind, in mountainous terrain, nearly daily, WAY past the guns terminal range.

You can either read and call wind or you can't. You can either shoot from field positions in the mountains or you can't. Leaning on a cartridge that "bucks wind better" no matter the range, is a recipe for misses as I'm sure you know and have seen as well.

Is it "practical" for most? Probably not, but that's because of shooter capabilities. Blaming wind is THE most common excuse I see in shooters, particularly in "higher level" shooters.

 

[Lawnboi]

On this particular morning, my max range to 1,800 FPS with this particularly fast 16" barrel was right at 550 yards I believe. I regularly practice with my 223 and 77 TMKs much further than that. Think consistent hits, in wind, in mountainous terrain, nearly daily, WAY past the guns terminal range.

You can either read and call wind or you can't. You can either shoot from field positions in the mountains or you can't. Leaning on a cartridge that "bucks wind better" no matter the range, is a recipe for misses as I'm sure you know and have seen as well.

Is it "practical" for most? Probably not, but that's because of shooter capabilities. Blaming wind is THE most common excuse I see in shooters, particularly in "higher level" shooters.

Yea lots of guys will blame the wind. And yea it’s their problem, because they guessed the wind wrong.

I have seen, and watched the difference at those ranges with a 223 (that’s particularly normal in speed) and some more efficient bullets, regardless of the caliber. If what you’re saying was the case everyone would be shooting a 223 for everything, because it’s easy to shoot. No arguing that, I got on that train a long time ago.

I shoot a decent amount, don’t consider myself an expert at all, probably closer to the average competitive shooter. I’m not shooting past 400 with my 223 because I know in unknown conditions my ability to guess with wind to 2-3mph becomes a game with lower odds that I am going to take when shooting at something that’s alive.