Thank you Form I’m now a mk12 believer

[JF_Idaho]

@Choupique I've tamed a few suppressed ARs with an H2 and an extra power spring (springco red). Going from a 1 o clock ejection to 3-4 o clock.

@RockAndSage While I'll be the first to admit eotechs have lost a bit of durability reputation vs aimpoint, something to keep in mind if you're going to run a magnifier is eotechs magnify much better keeping a precision dot vs an aimpoint going from 2 moa to 6 moa under a 3x magnifier.

 

[Choupique]

H2 buffer is in the mail so hopefully that does it and if it doesnt I'll piece me together an H3 just to see. Its a trashy lower and I havent done the upper any favors either. Ive been using a 36" pipe wrench for a barrel vise on it...

Right now my main problem is fighting the temptation to stick the .22 conversion kit in it and going night blasting.

I really like how the barrel/brake/collar/can system works on these rifles. From an engineering perspective it makes great sense. I understand the reasons it isnt, but I wish this general approach to the whole rifle system design was available in a factory bolt rifle. Having the suppressor mount at two points makes so much more sense than having it cantilever off the end of the barrel

 

[Formidilosus]

eotechs magnify much better keeping a precision dot vs an aimpoint going from 2 moa to 6 moa under a 3x magnifier.

That’s not how that works. A 2 MOA Aimpoint dot is still 2 MOA with a magnifier. A 1 MOA center dot on an EoTech is still a 1 MOA dot with a magnifier.

 

[JF_Idaho]

That’s not how that works. A 2 MOA Aimpoint dot is still 2 MOA with a magnifier. A 1 MOA center dot on an EoTech is still a 1 MOA dot with a magnifier.

Yes, sorry, reading that back is worded poorly. I should have said that the red dot (aimpoint in this case) triples in size visually to the shooter. (Worse for me with astigmstism). Albeit still being 2moa at 3x.

The eotech still looks like a 1 moa dot visually and technically.

Maybe you can explain this in more technical terms.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yes, sorry, reading that back is worded poorly. I should have said that the red dot (aimpoint in this case) triples in size visually to the shooter. (Worse for me with astigmstism). Albeit still being 2moa at 3x.

The eotech still looks like a 1 moa dot visually and technically.

Maybe you can explain this in more technical terms.

Your astigmatism may be making the dot looked bloomed out, but it works the same way. When an Aimpoint’s illumination is turned to be just barely visible, the 2 MOA version will cover a 2 MOA dot. With the magnifier, it is still 2 MOA. But, because of the way the laser diode works- the bright you make the dot, the larger the dot becomes- I.E., at max illumination an Aimpoints 2 MOA dot is 5-6 MOA in target.
Now the EoTech has a cleaner looking dot to those with an astigmatism, and it doesn’t get larger as it gets brighter, so it doesn’t tend to bloom out when the illumination is turned up too high. It’s 1 MOA dot at low illumination covers a1 MOA target, and does so the same with a magnifier behind it as well… nearly regardless of illumination level.

The main issue is the illumination being turned up too high.

 

[JF_Idaho]

Your astigmatism may be making the dot looked bloomed out, but it works the same way. When an Aimpoint’s illumination is turned to be just barely visible, the 2 MOA version will cover a 2 MOA dot. With the magnifier, it is still 2 MOA. But, because of the way the laser diode works- the bright you make the dot, the larger the dot becomes- I.E., at max illumination an Aimpoints 2 MOA dot is 5-6 MOA in target.
Now the EoTech has a cleaner looking dot to those with an astigmatism, and it doesn’t get larger as it gets brighter, so it doesn’t tend to bloom out when the illumination is turned up too high. It’s 1 MOA dot at low illumination covers a1 MOA target, and does so the same with a magnifier behind it as well… nearly regardless of illumination level.

The main issue is the illumination being turned up too high.

I never ended up buying an eotech as I don't like magnifiers. When I ran a buddies eotech and 3x magnifier for the better part of a day out shooting I feel like the dot did not magnify under the magnifier. Like it washed out a tiny bit (probably my eyes) but did not grow visually. The circle most definitely did (another thing I'm not a huge fan of). Maybe I'm insane.

Edit to add: both were at the lowest comfortable illumination for me. As when too bright I see Saturn.

 

[Formidilosus]

I never ended up buying an eotech as I don't like magnifiers. When I ran a buddies eotech and 3x magnifier for the better part of a day out shooting I feel like the dot did not magnify under the magnifier. Like it washed out a tiny bit (probably my eyes) but did not grow visually. The circle most definitely did (another thing I'm not a huge fan of). Maybe I'm insane.

Nah, you’re not insane. It’s a common perception or belief that lots of people have. Again, it’s because of how the dot “gets brighter” in an Aimpoint- it doesn’t actually get “brighter”, there is more “laser” added as you turn the brightness up.

 

[Bluumoon]

Just dug into those, they don't seem to be as heavy as they look. Prices are pretty reasonable too, given the performance they seem to be known for.

Separately, I'm realizing some of the limitations of my LPVOs on short/fast drills, and am thinking it's time to get a good dot or holo for the home defense gun. Something that allows for easier target-focus, without the objective/body/parallax causing issues. Maybe a T2 or EOTech, but I have almost no experience with them - what would you recommend for that application? Something meant for close-in, wouldn't get pushed past 200-300yds, may or may not get a magnifier...completely open to any option.

Midway does occasional sales that make the PRI upper even more appealing, I think you can stack mil/leo discount on top of that applies.

Red dot at 200 (10” plate) is easy for me, 300 is less consistent.

 

[Choupique]

Mine is 10lbs 14oz empty w/ sling, scope, and OCM5.

If i ever get another barrel, im getting a white oak SPR fluted between the gas block and nut. Supposedly it saves an additional pound. The rifle doesnt seem awful to carry (just 2 hunts with it all done up) but a pound less would be nice.

 

[zdc1775]

Yes. I believe there will be a post in the next day or two about a possible small run.

Any more updates on the MK12 compatible US suppressor?

Never mind, my dumbass just noticed there is a suppressor subforum.

 

[Formidilosus]

Any more updates on the MK12 compatible US suppressor?

Never mind, my dumbass just noticed there is a suppressor subforum.

They’re working on them.

 

[Choupique]

Shot a pair of 10 shot groups yesterday.

First one was 2.8" and the second was 1.6"

I imagine a heavier buffer will help. Better trigger is going to help a lot.

So far im about $1500 into my knockoff mod H build including the suppressor and not counting scope and mounts. I think if I get it consistently under 1.5 MOA with any of my ammo choices, I'll be happy with that. Pretty sure itll easily get there.

Next one is going to be a complete PRI mod 0 rifle though.

 

[gbflyer]

This is the heaviest (weight) scope I own. Credo HX 1-8x28. For comparison:

 

[Choupique]

What height rings yall using?

 

[gbflyer]

Pictured are UTG Pro POI high 34mm. It’s been awhile but it seems like they are supposed to put the crosshair just about where the irons would be according to the research I did. They are excellent quality USA rings and not covered with cutting oil by the way.

 

[Steel Rain]

My boys and I were shooting my MK12 MOD0 today. Every time I shoot it I love it even more. My youngest is pretty recoil shy and was having a great time.