T & K dB testing (at ear and muzzle) HBK 2255

[TandKHunting]

A lot of work was put into this video by our marketing / content team.

Results may vary based on host, ammo, and atmospheric conditions. Remember, ear and muzzle numbers only tell one portion of the story. FRP, impulse data, and gas management are important factors too. Along with durability, warranty process, customer service, and more.

The VORIX and HAVIC suppressors will be in the hands of PEW Science tomorrow. I will post results once they hit.

Keep in mind, the HBK 2255 captures samples at faster rates than most sub $20K meters. This is some of the most in depth, multi host platform information we have ever captured with one of the best sub $20K meters on the market.

 

[RWT]

Any comparison to a known Suppressor such as a TBAc U7? The video makes them sound awesome but the posted figures have me wondering what they will do at the Suppressor Summit?

135 at shooters ear sounds high.

 

[TandKHunting]

Any comparison to a known Suppressor such as a TBAc U7? The video makes them sound awesome but the posted figures have me wondering what they will do at the Suppressor Summit?

135 at shooters ear sounds high.

If you look at silencer summit (which we are sending cans to) on .308 20” - 135 is actually pretty good at shooter’s ear. Ear number is not the end all be all, but 130-140 on SE on .308 with a 30 cal is the typical range.

First round pop, tone, gas management, and impulse are all important.

 

[RWT]

If you look at silencer summit (which we are sending cans to) on .308 20” - 135 is actually pretty good at shooter’s ear. Ear number is not the end all be all, but 130-140 on SE on .308 with a 30 cal is the typical range.

First round pop, tone, gas management, and impulse are all important.

My point is …. Sell me on it. As a consumer we are not educated enough to know what good is other than what is marketed to us. The area we can quantify and then justify the expense is the DB figure. We then use that figure as the deciding factor.

The video sounds great, but I am left to locate and read the Silensor Summit result and subsequently rank this product vs the others. I am also left wondering the difference between a $2K and $20K microphone.

Not discounting the data. I am asking for more context as to why it matters when purchasing the product.

I would be very content with an explanation that provide me a range against SS or Pew? For example the XXX model shot with a 308 would rank in the top 20-25% range as compared to SS with a similar system.

Just curious and attempting to learn. I am in the market this year for a 6.5 can

 

[TandKHunting]

My point is …. Sell me on it. As a consumer we are not educated enough to know what good is other than what is marketed to us. The area we can quantify and then justify the expense is the DB figure. We then use that figure as the deciding factor.

The video sounds great, but I am left to locate and read the Silensor Summit result and subsequently rank this product vs the others. I am also left wondering the difference between a $2K and $20K microphone.

Not discounting the data. I am asking for more context as to why it matters when purchasing the product.

I would be very content with an explanation that provide me a range against SS or Pew? For example the XXX model shot with a 308 would rank in the top 20-25% range as compared to SS with a similar system.

Just curious and attempting to learn. I am in the market this year for a 6.5 can

I think this is exactly why PEW Science is so important. A lot of consumers rely on a single ear dB number and make decisions based on that alone...but that can be misleading.

An average dB number doesn’t tell the full story without looking at multiple shots and consistency. For example:

Suppressor A: 139, 134, 136, 135, 139: Average 136

Suppressor B: 137, 138, 137, 136, 137: Average 137

On paper, Suppressor A looks “quieter.” But in reality, it exposes the shooter to higher peaks and more variation shot to shot.

Consistency matters.

This is why we focus on showing real shot data and not just a single averaged number. A suppressor can “look good” on paper with an average, but still perform worse in actual use if it’s inconsistent.

That's why a suppressor with a 135 dB average can beat a suppressor with a 133 dB average on PEW Science. Consistent gas management, impulse control, and the likes is extremely important. An average number means nothing if data is all over the board.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

As a consumer, you’d have to do this video with a known can as a control (Ultra 7) for me to buy in. I came to two conclusions from the video: your testing setup is wildly different than everything else we’re seeing and is throwing your numbers off, or the cans are really loud.

 

[TandKHunting]

As a consumer, you’d have to do this video with a known can as a control (Ultra 7) for me to buy in. I came to two conclusions from the video: your testing setup is wildly different than everything else we’re seeing and is throwing your numbers off, or the cans are really loud.

Our numbers are actually realistic. You can cross reference PEW Silence and Silencer Summit that use high end 262 kHz meters (1 - 1.5 dB difference). Some companies use dBA while we are using unweighted or Z. dbA will show way lower than Z.

This is why PEW Science is needed. No marketing fluff or consumer misconceptions.

Additionally, we don't use competitors cans to test against and make it public. It's simply not what we do. That's what 3rd party testing is for.

Our cans are not "loud". We are showing realistic numbers with higher end meters and the proper test setups for both muzzle and ear.

 

[HuntHarder]

I can appreciate better testing equipment but on the surface, your cans appear louder than others who are commonly posted on here. Until every company gets on the same playing field, I see this as the most common take by the average user.

I am not saying it's fact but it is the perception, giving the various testing set ups. After Silencer summit, I'd imagine we will have a better idea of where T&K cans stack up against the competition.

 

[TandKHunting]

I can appreciate better testing equipment but on the surface, your cans appear louder than others who are commonly posted on here. Until every company gets on the same playing field, I see this as the most common take by the average user.

I am not saying it's fact but it is the perception, giving the various testing set ups. After Silencer summit, I'd imagine we will have a better idea of where T&K cans stack up against the competition.

Even better, PEW Science has our suppressors in hand. Will post the results on here once they are public and then there will be no arguing how it stacks up to the very best units in the industry to include CAT, PTR, OCL, Dead Air, HUX, Liberty Precision, CGS, and more.

Silencer Summit won't be until later this summer.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

Even better, PEW Science has our suppressors in hand. Will post the results on here once they are public and then there will be no arguing how it stacks up to the very best in the industry to include CAT, PTR, OCL, etc.

Silencer Summit won't be until later this summer.

That would help sell me your can! I’m never going to pay for PEW, but if you post results and it tests at or better than competition, I would consider it! While I don’t want to speak for others, I think the can market is competitive enough that we have to see better performance than what’s already out there and proven itself.

I have a lot of respect for the American small business owner, and I’m wishing you success!

 

[TandKHunting]

That would help sell me your can! I’m never going to pay for PEW, but if you post results and it tests at or better than competition, I would consider it! While I don’t want to speak for others, I think the can market is competitive enough that we have to see better performance than what’s already out there and proven itself.

I have a lot of respect for the American small business owner, and I’m wishing you success!

I will post the full reports when they drop. We are getting the VORIX tested on .308 and .300 subs and the HAVIC on MK18 and 14.5" M4.

I want to challenge you all to be realistic on actual accurate ear and muzzle numbers. Let's take out the marketing fluff, low end meters, etc.

For example: The #5 can on .308 on PEW has a 135 dB at ear. A lot more plays into rankings than your average dB number, but keep that in mind when focusing on testing that is showing 128 at ear on a .308 with a $5,000 meter that captures at 48-52 kHz. That's not an accurate number.

We know we are closer than most to true dB numbers because we have cross tested with PEW Science certified suppressors. We can't get the exact numbers, but we think we are within 1.2 to 1.5 dB when we shot this video.

 

[Ucsdryder]

I agree with what you’re saying regarding competition, but with all the talk about DB numbers changing from day to day, testing your cans and only your cans, doesn’t help the consumer.

The industry standard for years has been the ultra 7. I would encourage you to rethink your stance and use the U7 as a constant. You’re not saying yours is better or worse, but you’re giving the consumer something to baseline your can off.

 

[Samson7x]

I can't imagine being a first time buyer these days. The market is absolutely flooded with suppressor options. I question how many of these companies will either still be around or continue making suppressors in a few years. These are just generalized comments, not aimed toward T&K.

Just a word to the first time buyer, as an enthusiast with 30+ stamps, you will not notice a dB here or there in practical situations. Choose the correct tool for the job, e.g. a lightweight can on a mountain gun.

 

[ckt3]

That would help sell me your can! I’m never going to pay for PEW, but if you post results and it tests at or better than competition, I would consider it! While I don’t want to speak for others, I think the can market is competitive enough that we have to see better performance than what’s already out there and proven itself.

I have a lot of respect for the American small business owner, and I’m wishing you success!

Pew Science is free for almost all the info on the site.

Also @TandKHunting what is your warranty policy on these cans?