Swaro ATC vs ATS

[ofl0926]

I’ve read the reviews on the ATC and ATS. So looking at price, it’s a few hundreds difference.
Eye relief is amazing with the ATC. Weight goes to the ATC. But for a few hundred more you get bigger objective, weight penalty isn’t much, field of view.
Just wanted your guys take on these two.


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[TimberHunter]

I looked through both (both new) on tripods after sunset. I’d give the nudge to the 65 in brightness but not by a lot. That little swaro spotter is very impressive.

I’d recommend looking through them before buying. For example, the 65 and 80 get high praise but I just can’t see more than 3-5% better than my gen 1 razor 85. I want to like the 65/80 ATS but my eyes just don’t see the difference.


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[Fever Buck]

I went through this same debate. First nice spotter so I wanted to make sure I really thought about it. My personal opinion was that I figured I’d carry the ATC over the ATS more often due to the weight so went with the ATC. I really like it so far. Also, my main target is elk so even the ATC should do the job.

 

[ofl0926]

I looked through both (both new) on tripods after sunset. I’d give the nudge to the 65 in brightness but not by a lot. That little swaro spotter is very impressive.

I’d recommend looking through them before buying. For example, the 65 and 80 get high praise but I just can’t see more than 3-5% better than my gen 1 razor 85. I want to like the 65/80 ATS but my eyes just don’t see the difference.


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I’m thinking the 65 with the wide angle lens


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[H82miss]

I’m thinking the 65 with the wide angle lens


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This is what I'm thinking too.

 

[Jbuck]

I went through this same debate. First nice spotter so I wanted to make sure I really thought about it. My personal opinion was that I figured I’d carry the ATC over the ATS more often due to the weight so went with the ATC. I really like it so far. Also, my main target is elk so even the ATC should do the job.

This is where I found myself. I wanted something to replace the Leupold GR HD 12-40x60mm I always threw in my bag and was worried that the ATS would be too large and I'd leave it if more often. So I went ATC and after mule deer season I'm glad I decided on the ATC, with the RRS Cinch and marsupial gear case it was about as much as I could have fit in my bag. I might regret going ATC over STC though.

 

[HenChamp]

ATS is much better, IMO. I am going to post mine for sale here soon, already posted to BirdForums.

 

[ofl0926]

ATS is much better, IMO. I am going to post mine for sale here soon, already posted to BirdForums.

What are you asking?


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[ofl0926]

Another option I might consider is the new Kowa tsn663. Just saw the review on it from S and S


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[HenChamp]

What are you asking?


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$1875 with extras — https://www.birdforum.net/threads/l...ith-25-50x-wide-angle-eyepiece-extras.447009/
It's basically brand new. Just got it in August. I am a birder, not a hunter, and tend to not need the scope while out birding. It's been used twice since August and can't justify keeping it, but it is excellent. I also have a Wiser nighthawk head I would sell separately for half off ($150). Trying to get my post count up here to list it

 

[Jbuck]

This is a fun game of optics creep. Sorta like budget creep. For just a little bit more I can get more. I think you need to decide on what you actually want and go for what fits. My buddy has a kowa 99 for the truck and absolutely blows my atc out of the water. But it is the last scope I'd want to pack around.

The pictures of the scopes on the review on here pushed me towards the ATC. The ATS wouldn't fit in my pack. Go with the largest objective you can and you will be happy.

 

[Walkstoomuch]

I purchased my first spotter this year and went with the ATC. I primarily back pack hunt and am a meat hunter. Anything larger wouldn't fit in my pack, especially as the weather changes

 

[ofl0926]

This is a fun game of optics creep. Sorta like budget creep. For just a little bit more I can get more. I think you need to decide on what you actually want and go for what fits. My buddy has a kowa 99 for the truck and absolutely blows my atc out of the water. But it is the last scope I'd want to pack around.

The pictures of the scopes on the review on here pushed me towards the ATC. The ATS wouldn't fit in my pack. Go with the largest objective you can and you will be happy.

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I’m set on a a 66 or smaller. I have a Kowa 883 but that is a tank of a spotter. I figure the kowa 663, swaro ATS is a great compromise between all the sizes.

 

[HenChamp]

I will shoot you a DM once I get enough posts.. or find me on BirdForum, but I am serious about making a deal if interested.

 

[Jbuck]

The new kowa tsn-66 looks like a good option if your good with the 66mm size. I'm pretty sure it replaced the 663 this summer with upgraded glass.

When I was looking it was mentioned several times that the ATS was better now then it was before with no new designation. So I didn't do enough research on it and decided I would only buy new in order to get the latest and greatest glass.