Suppressor muzzle device confusion

[Geewhiz]

I am getting confused when it comes to muzzle devices for suppressors and I havent found a good video or discussion that makes it clear.

I have a tbac suppressor and understand that they have their own proprietaty brake/thread pattern/mounting system, but they along with other companies also offer a HUB/bravo/universal type mounting system that utilizes 1 3/8x24 threads. I have looked around a bit and am just confused about the preferred way to mount a suppressor using the 1 3/8x24 system.

If you go to the Q website they have devices like a cherry bomb that I believe is supposed to be fixed to your barrel, but then you need another threaded adapter that goes from the male threads on the cherry bomb to the female threads on the suppressor. 2 different thread adapters sound like things are getting hokey.

If you go to the diligent defense site they have these

which are muzzle threads to the universal 1 3/8x24 and appear to be a fairly straight forward mounting solution, but then all it is is a direct threaded suppressor with a removable (muzzle end) end cap. Is the idea then to loctite the above pictured adapter to your barrel permanently and just swap the suppresser to different rifles?

Tbac's muzzle device has a brake integrated into it which slides up into the rear of the suppressor, so do suppressors that are made to use the 1 3/8x24 threads have more baffels at the back end of the suppressor or is there still 2 inches of open space back there in case you have a muzzle device that has an integrated brake like the tbac? Are tbac suppressors that are 1 3/8x24 threaded and that are made to use a muzzle device with an integrated brake less effective if you use it with a muzzle device like the diligent defense adapter that does not have an integrated brake?

Dead air has all kinds of muzzle devices on their site that Im not sure what they are supposed to be used for.



Any enlightenment would be appreciated as I cant imagine I'm the only one that doesnt understand.

 

[9.3koolaid]

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[ID_Matt]

HUB is just the universal threads that most suppressor companies use for adapters. Each company seems to sell a "system" that is hub compatible. Dead air keymo, Q cherry bomb, etc. so you can use there adapters with the brakes or flash hiders on the barrel. I don't see much benefit with bolt guns and think direct thread is probably the way to go. The Diligent defense adapter you have above would be to screw in to a hub can and just leave it in to be used direct thread. You would not leave it on the barrel. Where it can get tricky is if you have different guns with different muzzle threads. If that is the case, like me, I went with area 419 mounts - multiple guns with different threads and different cans with different mount threads. This way i don't have to switch anything out as the mounts all stay on the gun and mounts stay in the suppressor.

if you aren't dealing with multiple guns and thread pitches, just do direct thread on everything for the easiest solution.

 

[Geewhiz]

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Thank you, that answers some of the questions.

 

[Geewhiz]

Guess im just a bit confused still. What then, would be the purpose of ever using something like a rearden/cherry bomb/ xeno type device? I like the idea of having some sort of muzzle device loktited to the muzzle threads on the rifle in the event that at some point I somehow inadvertanty booger up the threads. I have 3 rifles I plan to use it on and Im thinking of putting one of those (rearden/cherry bomb/xeno) type devices on each of them to swap the suppressor to. But then Ive got 2 different adapter devices between the muzzle threads themselves and the suppressor..?

Whenever I get back to my pickup after hunting I always take my suppressor off to put the rifle back in the case and currently that leaves the tbac brake on the muzzle of the rifle, but with the new hub suppressor I just bought Im trying to figure out what people use.

Seams indecent to just flash naked muzzle threads around willy nilly.

 

[BBob]

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[hardincobucks]

Guess im just a bit confused still. What then, would be the purpose of ever using something like a rearden/cherry bomb/ xeno type device? I like the idea of having some sort of muzzle device loktited to the muzzle threads on the rifle in the event that at some point I somehow inadvertanty booger up the threads. I have 3 rifles I plan to use it on and Im thinking of putting one of those (rearden/cherry bomb/xeno) type devices on each of them to swap the suppressor to. But then Ive got 2 different adapter devices between the muzzle threads themselves and the suppressor..?

Whenever I get back to my pickup after hunting I always take my suppressor off to put the rifle back in the case and currently that leaves the tbac brake on the muzzle of the rifle, but with the new hub suppressor I just bought Im trying to figure out what people use.

Seams indecent to just flash naked muzzle threads around willy nilly.

What did you end of going with? I really like the reardan mounts gonna try those out on my next can

 

[Geewhiz]

What did you end of going with? I really like the reardan mounts gonna try those out on my next can

I ended up going with rearden devices. I got a dual port brake and an atlas. Planning to get a couple more brakes for other rifles.

 

[Grundy53]

Guess im just a bit confused still. What then, would be the purpose of ever using something like a rearden/cherry bomb/ xeno type device? I like the idea of having some sort of muzzle device loktited to the muzzle threads on the rifle in the event that at some point I somehow inadvertanty booger up the threads. I have 3 rifles I plan to use it on and Im thinking of putting one of those (rearden/cherry bomb/xeno) type devices on each of them to swap the suppressor to. But then Ive got 2 different adapter devices between the muzzle threads themselves and the suppressor..?

Whenever I get back to my pickup after hunting I always take my suppressor off to put the rifle back in the case and currently that leaves the tbac brake on the muzzle of the rifle, but with the new hub suppressor I just bought Im trying to figure out what people use.

Seams indecent to just flash naked muzzle threads around willy nilly.

Why not just use thread protector caps?

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[Geewhiz]

Why not just use thread protector caps?

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That’s a valid question.

Mainly because I am lead to believe that I will get a slight amount of increased performance out of my suppressors with a 2 port brake inside rather than a direct thread cap leaving empty space between the muzzle and the blast baffle. Not sure if there’s any truth to that or not.

 

[Akken]

That’s a valid question.

Mainly because I am lead to believe that I will get a slight amount of increased performance out of my suppressors with a 2 port brake inside rather than a direct thread cap leaving empty space between the muzzle and the blast baffle. Not sure if there’s any truth to that or not.

It's both can design and personal preference.

My nomad 30 is a DT can but has a hub design so I could switch to either a xeno or keymo mount if quick attach is desired. These attachments also lengthen the can to allow the brake/flash hider to fit inside without contacting the baffles.

My tbac ultra 5 uses the cb mount and looking at it the baffles are recessed further into the can to allow the brake to fit so yes I'd say the tbac ultra line is designed with that brake in mind as part of the equation for its baseline performance. Even the DT version of the ultra series is just the same can with the brake rocksetted into the can.

 

[T_Widdy]

What is the most solid mounting system for a hub suppressor? A glued in direct thread mount and the suppressor tightened to the barrel with a wrench. Or an adapter system that has a loktited mount on the barrel and uses a taper lock like the 419 or tbac cb?

 

[Harlequin_Forest]

I ended up going with rearden devices. I got a dual port brake and an atlas. Planning to get a couple more brakes for other rifles.

Oooh very nice, is that an L-TI?

Nice to see there's clearance for a DPB with the Rearden, I'm curious if that would clear the blast baffle with the Zilch mount or other lower profile mounts

 

[Geewhiz]

Oooh very nice, is that an L-TI?

Nice to see there's clearance for a DPB with the Rearden, I'm curious if that would clear the blast baffle with the Zilch mount or other lower profile mounts

Good eye it is an LTI and its a sick ass suppressor.

The zilch adapter is for direct thread so it will not thread over one of reardens muzzle devices. Somewhere on the world wide web I found a schematic showing all of the measurements of the dpb and the size of the blast chamber in the lti but Im currently unable to find it again. I've got roughly 1/4 inch of clearance between the end of the brake and the blast baffle iirc

edit: i didnt even realize they made a zilch hub adapter, that must be a new development.

 

[Harlequin_Forest]

Good eye it is an LTI and its a sick ass suppressor.

The zilch adapter is for direct thread so it will not thread over one of reardens muzzle devices. Somewhere on the world wide web I found a schematic showing all of the measurements of the dpb and the size of the blast chamber in the lti but Im currently unable to find it again. I've got roughly 1/4 inch of clearance between the end of the brake and the blast baffle iirc

edit: i didnt even realize they made a zilch hub adapter, that must be a new development.

Sweet! Mine just cleared, can't wait to put it to use.

I think you might be referring to the low profile direct thread adapter it comes with. They also make a HUB threaded Zilch that works with Plan B muzzle devices that I'm considering.

~1/4" sounds like the DPB will be cutting it close with a lower profile mount.

 

[Geewhiz]

Sweet! Mine just cleared, can't wait to put it to use.

I think you might be referring to the low profile direct thread adapter it comes with. They also make a HUB threaded Zilch that works with Plan B muzzle devices that I'm considering.

~1/4" sounds like the DPB will be cutting it close with a lower profile mount.

You're right, I was momentarily confusing their adapters.

 

[SavedByGrace2001]

we’ll figure I’d throw this out there since I can’t find anything, I need a hub mount for 3/4X28 on a Christensen Mesa 450 bushmaster, just ordered a TB Fly 45 and thunder beast doesn’t have the threaded hub in stock and was told the won’t have it in stock till at least November. Any one have any suggestions for another company that makes a hub mount in 3/4x28 for a 45 cal bore diameter. Thanks for the help in advance