Suppressed Elk Rifle vs 338 Cannon + Ear Pro

[ACHILLES]

You want 338 hammer with exits and lots of blood for tracking go 20” 338rum with 300bergers at 2700fps with n570 and run a 338ultra RR or a brake. Try that and if you don’t like it sell it and go smaller. Smaller cartridges work too (6,6.5creed, 6.5prc). Only way to see what you like is try both. Individual opinions vary and some don’t mind recoil.

Bull pups are awesome in theory but a day of carrying my buddy’s tavor 7 around and shooting it out of the truck I’m over it. It’s like carrying a 36” piece of 2”x12” board around, a little awkward.

 

[Chris in TN]

Man this thread has it all. But I'm kinda worried - it isn't even Christmas, deer season is still open in the south, and people are already throwing out things like Bullpups.

It's obviously going to be a long winter.

(OP, for a more serious answer, dig out those old .243s and load them with some bullets that expand faster. Suppress the thing and go kill elk)

 

[North of 60]

If you are extremely fond of your .300 WM (this may seem sacrilegious to some) and also hunt where you need a a blood trail - there are better penetrating options more likely to leave a blood trial...partitions, swift A frames (fancy partitions), or even the larger expanded diameter monos such as Makers or Cavity Back.

Whenever my next elk hunt with an inherited .300WM occurs, I'll likely be using one of those bullets mentioned above if hunting where a blood trail is more needed.

 

[EuroOptic]

Here I'll save the pain for everyone
This rifle
This scope
This can

Easy day

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Here I'll save the pain for everyone
This rifle
This scope
This can

Easy day

MOA? Pass

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Pick the 30 cal you like use a partition, get a can and go hunt...308 or 300wsm would be my suggestions for short barrel 30s...I went 308 because it's lighter..no complaints, 7# still feels heavy at the end of the day..lol

 

[EuroOptic]

MOA? Pass

Wrong sku oh well
Everybodys gonna tell him to buy an SWFA anyways... lol

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Wrong sku oh well
Everybodys gonna tell him to buy an SWFA anyways... lol

SWFA work. My only gripe is their windage turrets are 5 miles long

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

You’re going to get a lot of people in here saying you should shoot a 16” suppressed 223 at elk because energy is a useless metric to measure killing potential. And because they’ve gone out and seen the results themselves.

Then you’re going to have a bunch of other people, who have never done it or even attempted to try it for themselves, argue and become annoyed with the first set of people.

Rinse and repeat. Welcome to Rokslide.

I fixed it for you

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Here I'll save the pain for everyone
This rifle
This scope
This can

Easy day

28” barrel with the can.

 

[nm.otter]

what about wind drift on slow moving 6mm/6.5mm bullets at 600 yards vs a higher bc faster 300/338? Off the top of my head, I'd again assume there's more margin for error with a larger bullet, compounding the probability of a lethal hit and easier recovery. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.

Some data points for 600 yard wind drift on Hornady Precision Hunter (6,000' DA, 10 MPH full value wind):

128gr .25 Creedmoor = 0.67 mils
143gr 6.5mm Creedmoor = 0.77 mils
200g .300 Win Mag = 0.70 mils
270gr .338 Lapua Mag = 0.53 mils

 

[EuroOptic]

28” barrel with the can.

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closer to the bull, harder to miss
Idk i kill everything with an 18" 6.5cm

 

[BRTreedogs]

@treillw

What would lead you to a conclusion that bullets meant to fragment would ever exit?

There may be a magical velocity and bullet weight where you may get an exit. But it’s unlikely with bullets designed to fragment.

There is no magic bullet, they all offer a trade off. I think you may need to do research on the typical characteristics of different bulletin designs and select the bullets with the trade offs you can live with.

At best to get what you have asked for in the OP is you need to launch a hard controlled expansion bullet at the most extreme velocity possible and keep the range at a distance the velocity would provide a lot of shock.

But the BC will be low, it will bleed velocity fast and the rifle will most likely be terrible to shoot and carry.

Personally for the most part I have selected heavy and long for caliber high bc bullets and live with the trade off of no exit and poor blood trails.

 

[ACHILLES]

Op, you could always cut your 300WM down to 20” and run higher bc solids like the mg guire or hammer HBC’s if you have enough twist or even try the 230-245bergers to get an exit.

 

[mt100gr.]

closer to the bull, harder to miss
Idk i kill everything with an 18" 6.5cm
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See post #12! Just deadly!!

 

[TradLife406]

90

905 yards with a 6 UM. Died in 10 seconds. Not sure why you'd need a bigger bullet. Impact velocity of about 2035 fps.

 

[Tobe_B]

28” barrel with the can.

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That’s so you can put your orange hat on the end of the barrel and all your buddies can monitor you hiking through thick oak brush.

 

[eric1115]

Respectfully, I can't get away from the idea that a bigger more powerful bullet causes a bigger explosion inside the animal and therefore causes more internal damage, giving a higher probability of lethal damage leading to a quicker death, and a higher probability of recovery.

The problem with this idea is that it isn't borne out in real life. Everyone I'm aware of that keeps notes on hit rates, time to incapacitation, distance traveled, ultimate success rate, etc for large numbers of animals killed, reports best performance from cartridges like 6CM, 22CM, 6mmARC with heavy for caliber, rapidly upsetting bullets (ELDX/M, TMK, etc).

These are better men than me. I don't keep records, I don't take photos of wound channels. My anecdotal experience aligns with these guys' data, but I can't give you firsthand info other than to say that I kill better and further with my .243AI than I did with my 7mmRM. My kids kill better and further with .223 and 6mmARC than my oldest did when he shot his first 7mm-08 "kid's rifle."

 

[treillw]

Eww. Bulls pups suck for field shooting. Like truly awful.

That's why I said ergonomic.

 

[treillw]

You want 338 hammer with exits and lots of blood for tracking go 20” 338rum with 300bergers at 2700fps with n570 and run a 338ultra RR or a brake. Try that and if you don’t like it sell it and go smaller. Smaller cartridges work too (6,6.5creed, 6.5prc). Only way to see what you like is try both. Individual opinions vary and some don’t mind recoil.

Bull pups are awesome in theory but a day of carrying my buddy’s tavor 7 around and shooting it out of the truck I’m over it. It’s like carrying a 36” piece of 2”x12” board around, a little awkward.

What barrel length for the 338?