Steve almighty the meat eater

[Sccritterkiller]

I wish they would ban dog hunting for deer and pigs 100 percent in the south and in general.

You must not have had any land/crops destroyed by hogs. Running then with dogs is the only effective way to keep them out of your fields and keep them from destroying roads. Hell I don't care if they kill any as long as the run them somewhere else. I would hate to think what I have spent on tractor diesel alone cleaning up after them...We tried trapping and night hunting nothing works like dogs. We only run the hog dogs outside of deer season for reasons mentioned above, less people/problems outside of season.

The YouTuber is anti hunting wanker...You don't want dogs on your property fine..Its America it's your right, but to force your opinions on others is wrong.

 

[cod007]

“ Hell I don't care if they kill any as long as they run them somewhere else. “

Hmmm. I’ll have to ponder that a bit.
I wonder how the neighbors feel about having problem hogs run onto their property? Guess hogs can’t read signs either.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

“ Hell I don't care if they kill any as long as they run them somewhere else. “

Hmmm. I’ll have to ponder that a bit.
I wonder how the neighbors feel about having problem hogs run onto their property? Guess hogs can’t read signs either.

I gave them the hunters info in case they wanted to use them..at the end of the day it's their property their decision. Wild hogs do what they do...can't stop them completely only run them off and slow down the destruction. A pack of Dogos is pretty effective for a few months, they eventually come back. They are hard on the landscape.

 

[Carpenterant]

People don’t seem to understand that each state has different laws about going on private property. I wish more states, especially western states, had laws like Vermont.

Looks like the hound hunter went out of his way to notify the landowner about his dogs when he didn’t need to.

The farmer sounds exactly like what steve described, not sure why any hunter would side with the farmer

 

[mtnwrunner]

And rokslide continues the slide......

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I was going to make a comment similar. Can't we just go back to hunting and gear stuff.
Jeez.

Randy

 

[Whiskey_Fish]

I was going to make a comment similar. Can't we just go back to hunting and gear stuff.
Jeez.

Randy

The secret is to avoid the general discussion forum. As you can see I have also failed today.


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[Cowbell]

Didn't a ME guys cabin burn down?

Like, he moved to an area, ruffled feathers and all of a sudden his cabin got burned?






Seems like a few parallels here...


Although one being outright arson.

Yes - it happened in Missouri - same stuff happens in SE Oklahoma - but we should protect them because they are hunters and we are all together lol

 

[Cowbell]

I live in Mississippi and the dog hunting argument has gone round and round here for ages. I am not for taking away any type of hunting activity, but the majority of dog hunters, at least around here, have a horrible reputation. There are some respectful groups, but mostly dog hunting puts a bad taste in people's mouths, and they don't forget it. People with small blocks of land run them where a dog can cover that in minutes and be on another's land, and they know that. The people who don't want dogs on their land proclaim, "the dog can't read a posted sign" and "you don't own the deer", while both true, a private landowner should be able to enjoy his land without someone else running a dog across it if it is his wish. A lot of the dog owners here know what they are doing is wrong, yet they make halfhearted excuses about it to justify their actions. It is always a source of contention down here. I'm not saying outlawing the sport as a whole, but also don't let the dog owners' rights to hunt like he wants to trump the rights of a landowner who doesn't want them ran across his property.

Grew up in Mississippi in a dog-hunting family that quit before I was old enough to hunt. I don't remember how many tree stand hunts I had ruined because of dogs clearing out our private family acreage.

 

[doc holiday13]

He's not a "random farmer". He's a farmer who started a campaign to get rid of hound hunting. When you start a campaign to curtail hunting rights one of the possible outcomes of that is that people with a large voice in the hunting world are going to voice their opinions about him.

I agree that there is a douche in this situation, but it ain't Rinella.

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Agreed

The dude who started the campaign is the asshat. I will agree Rinella can be a douche nozzle, but farmer dude is the bigger dirtier one

 

[JMasson]

In 1777, Vermont enumerated hunting as a right in their state's constitution. Many other states have hunting enumerated as a right within their borders. When the farmer said hunting in Vermont is a "privilege granted by the state", he was absolutely wrong. A property owner has the absolute right to determine who can hunt on their property but that doesn't mean that the residents of Vermont do not have the right to hunt. I saw the video of the encounter a while ago and it was very clear that the farmer is anti-hunter, regardless of his rhetoric. He has an ethical problem with hound hunting but that's his own issue. Whether he likes it or not, it's legal and the morality of it is a personal problem. Every hunter should be up-in-arms about any proposal that would limit a legal method of hunting. We are our own worst enemies in this battle.

I say all that as someone who has never engaged in hound hunting. I've been invited on several hound hunts but I've never taken anyone up on the offer. It's just not my cup of tea, personally.

 

[JMasson]

Big private property rights advocate here... Nobody has a right, regardless or tradition, etc..., to trespass. The best way to responsibly deal with trespassing is to catch people in the act and charge them. In my experience, too many landowners and lease owners fail to prosecute when given the opportunity. They don't want to ruffle feathers in the local community, because sometimes the guys trespassing are high profile or have local influence.

In parallel there are steps that landowners can take to protect their property- trail cams, hot wires, and woven wire are a few things that can be installed to reduce frequency of law breaking. Catch a few guys and make sure they are charged to the maximum extent of the law and word will get out not to F--- around on your land. It is when there is indifference or passiveness with trespassing that it continues to happen and proliferate.

That all being said, it is wrong to throw the baby out with the bath water and attempt to ban hound hunting just because this guy can't manage his own property. I respect the traditions of responsible hunters that use dogs for coons, deer, squirrels, etc..., and the vast majority of these guys try to do the right thing.

In Vermont (and many other states), hunters do not have to ask permission to access private property that is not posted or fenced. It has been that way since 1777, when Vermont enumerated hunting as a right their constitution. The issue is that "farmer" moved into an area with an established tradition, hundreds of years since statehood and longer as a colony. He doesn't like it because it upsets his morality and is attacking a method of hunting, instead of attacking property rights. He only posted his property after his run-in with guys running bear hounds. Previously he had an encounter with hunters running coon hounds but he's not trying to stop that, only bear hounds. This is nothing more than a moral issue for him. He is playing at the heart strings of a gentrified society and since bears are cute cuddly critters, they're an easy target. He could've posted his property after the first encounter but he didn't. It was only after the bear hounds that he did so and it was likely in an attempt to place himself on the moral high ground in this battle.

 

[2buffalo]

Hunters arguing with hunters you're doing what the antis want. Just like anti gunners "you don't need an assault weapon to hunt" and half the hunters agree. I have been running hounds for over 25 years. You can't always catch them before they cross property lines. As long as the hunter doesn't go on the property it shouldn't matter.