Stan Solex click

[Bmoore]

Looks like Stan is releasing a new version of the solex with a click.

I was looking to pick up a solex to go back to an index release after a season trying out a thumb button. Just curious what everyone’s opinion on the click is. I have done Shot IQ and struggled with target panic in the past and I know Joel likes a click. What do you guys think, click or no click.

 

[OR Archer]

If used properly I like the click. If youre hammering the trigger it will do you no good. You have to learn to slow down to hear/feel the click which will help you learn not to smash it as soon as your pin hits the target.

 

[timmymac24]

My son shoots one and likes it I bought the no click version and am happy with it. It may be good for some guys though.

 

[jmez]

Click. If used correctly it will improve your target panic.

 

[Bmoore]

I do need to work on some blank bailing this winter. Get my shot process more repeatable. And get rid of the punchy nonsense. That’s my goal this winter. But I am in need of a good index release that doesn’t break the budget.

 

[Shooter Mike]

Click. If used correctly it will improve your target panic.

How so?

I 100% disagree.

30+ years of experience as a shooter, competitor and coach in a variety of disciplines have convinced me otherwise. The click is in there because of the snake oil being sold by Joel Turner. The Shot IQ stuff is nothing more than an overcomplication of a simple process, with some clever re-wording of some well-known concepts to try to make it sound new and flashy. He's done nothing more than create a problem and provided multi-step solutions to it. Look around and see who all he pushes this whole "click" stuff on. The only people buying it are new shooters, and shooters with poor form who continue to chase accuracy.

The original intent of a click was for a hinge release. Most often, one side of the half moon had a click, which could be turned around for no click, once you learned how to draw and shoot with back tension. The click served as a safety of sorts, and as a means to help the shooter learn repeatable hand placement. It has no place or purpose in a thumb button or index release. As you're executing your shot, you're now interrupted by a click once you're settled in to position. It will be a matter of time before that click causes the "oh shit, the release is about to go off", and target panic sets in. It's just the way shooting works when the process is interrupted.

Step 1: Develop good form habits that are repeatable.
Step 2: Aim with your form and eyes. Keep your mind out of it.
Step 3: Let the large muscle groups of your draw shoulder execute the shot, with ever so slight forward pressure of the bow arm. This prevents the perception of movement that triggers "panic" in the mind. Adding a click in there will 100% eventually bring someone with target panic full circle, if it even gets them out at all. The most widely used method for correcting target panic issues is blank bale with a hinge that is set cold, or a thumb button that is set heavy.

Don't take my word for it just yet ... go buy a Onnex click or Solex click and learn for yourself. Please. Really. Go do that and shoot under pressure in competition or hunting for a while, and report back how things went. Then, take a look down the line at any major archery event and see how many are shooting thumb or index click. Hell, Joel's own son isn't even shooting an thumb or index click in competition.

 

[jmez]

As you're executing your shot, you're now interrupted by a click once you're settled in to position. It will be a matter of time before that click causes the "oh shit, the release is about to go off", and target panic sets in. It's just the way shooting works when the process is interrupted.

Don't start executing the shot process untill after the click. Draw back settle in, don't even look through the peep until after the click. Once the click goes then the shot process starts.

 

[Shooter Mike]

As you're executing your shot, you're now interrupted by a click once you're settled in to position. It will be a matter of time before that click causes the "oh shit, the release is about to go off", and target panic sets in. It's just the way shooting works when the process is interrupted.

Don't start executing the shot process untill after the click. Draw back settle in, don't even look through the peep until after the click. Once the click goes then the shot process starts.

Then I have to ask- what's the purpose of the click?

 

[bowhunter15]

I'm happy to see this finally come out. I hunt with the standard, non-click solex, but also own the onnex c and a few hinges. But I was really curious when they'd put the click in an index and planned to pick one up once available, which seems to be now. Like a couple guys mentioned above, you'd want to use it as intended, not as a trigger to fire, but a mental reinforcement step to double down and execute that same pressure used to get to the click, and thus minimize preignition movements. I will say I've never really struggled with a standard index on an animal, but I'm curious to see how I like the new one.

 

[flyfisher117]

I'm going to get one with the click to try it out. Been wanting to try their click handheld but the price is tough to swallow. The index will be a cheap way to see if it helps me not hammer the trigger lol

 

[Marble]

I started with a click and ended up growing out of it.

I just shot one of the releases you asked about the other day and it was OK. Hard for me to have real opinion as it was too small.

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[puihitangata]

The click can be used the same as on the hinge, as a positioning tool. Making sure you have the same amount of tension on the trigger before you pull through.
This will help keep the consistency of tension in your shot since the trigger/thumb is loaded up the same each time. You won't over load the trigger and then have it go off as soon as you start pulling and you won't underload it and have to pull really hard into the back wall to get it to go off.

It won't necesarily help with target panic but it can be useful for getting used to loading up the trigger the same on each shot and especially hunting where it gives you something to break the focus from the target before executing the shot.

If you don't have a shot process you won't punch it any less than another trigger.

I've found the best thing for target panic is a big target up close. You're better to shoot an 80cm or 122cm target face up close (may as well be a blank bail with how big the center is) and work through your shot then gradually step back letting your sub concious gets used to the pin floating on the target. Then you can come closer with a smaller target and keep stepping back. Repeat until you can shoot at a small target.

 

[jmez]

Purpose is to start the firing engine and concentration.

 

[Shooter Mike]

Purpose is to start the firing engine and concentration.

How is that any different than coming to anchor and wrapping one’s finger around the trigger?

“Start the firing engine”. Sounds like someone has bought in to Joel Turners snake oil.

The click is nothing more than an unnecessary distraction that will eventually create or worsen Target panic.


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[Southbow]

The click is nothing more than an unnecessary distraction

For me and I believe the way Joel intends it, is the click as a "necessary" distraction. When I'm aiming target panic is screaming at me to release the arrow. But when I built that extra step of a click into my shot process, I can separate aiming and shooting with a click in between.

Say what you want about it being snake oil but it works for me and many others. I'm not a top level competitive shooter and I don't have the mental discipline to execute the shot the way they do. So for me I'll use any tool/method available that lets me continue to shoot at an acceptable level and kill animals.

 

[Bmoore]

For me and I believe the way Joel intends it, is the click as a "necessary" distraction. When I'm aiming target panic is screaming at me to release the arrow. But when I built that extra step of a click into my shot process, I can separate aiming and shooting with a click in between.

Say what you want about it being snake oil but it works for me and many others. I'm not a top level competitive shooter and I don't have the mental discipline to execute the shot the way they do. So for me I'll use any tool/method available that lets me continue to shoot at an acceptable level and kill animals.

This sounds a lot like me. I have a real problem with trigger control. Once my finger touches the trigger my head is just screaming to shoot. So I either don’t touch the trigger at all or the second I touch it it’s going off. I am trying to break that cycle somehow where I can put pressure on the trigger without having to send it immediately.

 

[Marshfly]

This sounds a lot like me. I have a real problem with trigger control. Once my finger touches the trigger my head is just screaming to shoot. So I either don’t touch the trigger at all or the second I touch it it’s going off. I am trying to break that cycle somehow where I can put pressure on the trigger without having to send it immediately.

How wrapped around the trigger are you?

Proper form means its way the hell deep in your finger where it is actually hard to manually operate without pulling through. Also triggers should be set cold so you KNOW they won't accidentally fire.
Some triggers simply don't allow good setup at all. Triggers not on a strap and the Wise Guy specifically is way too light no matter what IMHO.

 

[Bmoore]

How wrapped around the trigger are you?

Proper form means its way the hell deep in your finger where it is actually hard to manually operate without pulling through. Also triggers should be set cold so you KNOW they won't accidentally fire.
Some triggers simply don't allow good setup at all. Triggers not on a strap and the Wise Guy specifically is way too light no matter what IMHO.

Trigger sits in the first crease of index finger. Can’t get wrapped around past that first buckle. I have the strap as tight as it will go.

 

[Marshfly]

Trigger sits in the first crease of index finger. Can’t get wrapped around past that first buckle. I have the strap as tight as it will go.

That is 100% your issue. I bet you have the CM version. You want the web connect version. Nobody should be buying solid connector index releases if they want to shoot them properly IMHO.

You want this. (random image from the internet. Most are totally wrong btw.)

 

[Marshfly]

Most do this and this is not the way to achieve a good back tension release.


Or even more ridiculous, they do this.