Stainless steel outsert vs aluminum

[MC2FS]

Ok multiple questions on the same plane.

• What have you all seen for the difference in durability of having a stainless outsert sleeve vs aluminum?
• If you had the choice to run a stainless sleeve over an aluminum while maintaining your desired arrow weight by keeping the aluminum insert, would you?
• Or would it be better to opt for a stainless insert and aluminum outsert?

 

[mtnkid85]

Im interested to hear others opinions on this as well.

Last year I shot a 75gr Ethics setup using the aluminum outer sleeve and SS insert. The SS insert cut down to 75gr came out pretty short and I broke several arrows right behind the insert, but I don't recall bending any of the outserts.

So this year I tried the 65gr all Aluminum Ethics setup with Aluminum sleeve and full aluminum insert. So far I am totally unimpressed. Ive bent several of them and still broke two arrows right behind the longer insert. Several of them have developed a wobble from just shooting foam.

So now Im currently assembling some of the 75gr Victory Shok tl outserts. These look real similar to my first ethics setup. Aluminum outer sleeve and a shorter SS insert. We will see how these hold up.

 

[jmez]

Aluminum outserts bend. Aluminum footers aren't durable.

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[MattyWight]

I love stainless. So much stronger. I am a lot pickier about a stainless insert/halfsert than i am about a footer. Happy with an alloy footer. I also like the extra weight as well as durability.

 

[Zac]

Brent from Valkyrie says the length of the insert is the real hinge point. The collar material makes no difference. I have shot steel and aluminum with Day 6, and aluminum collars with Valkyrie. Haven't had a failure with any of them.

 

[5MilesBack]

Aluminum outserts bend.

From my experience, so do stainless outserts.

 

[MC2FS]

Brent from Valkyrie says the length of the insert is the real hinge point. The collar material makes no difference. I have shot steel and aluminum with Day 6, and aluminum collars with Valkyrie. Haven't had a failure with any of them.

I can believe the statement on hinge point. I have bent the centerpin on a Valkyrie system field tip with aluminum collar and the collar was fine. I love the Valkyrie system but my two main issues with it are that I have had several insert+collars come unglued even after I followed Brent’s directions to a T and second, is the cost.

 

[Zac]

Oh tell me about it I print lost over 20 collars. You have to sand the crap out of the shafts and use crazy epoxy. I have 72 hour Bishop epoxy. Never used it but that was my plan when I was using them.

 

[jmez]

I tried the gold tip outsert collar system. Outserts still bent. The tops of the collars started cracking and peeling down after a couple of weeks.

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[MC2FS]

Oh tell me about it I print lost over 20 collars. You have to sand the crap out of the shafts and use crazy epoxy. I have 72 hour Bishop epoxy. Never used it but that was my plan when I was using them.

Yup, sounds about like my experience. That’s one other thing I’m not fond of is how much material I ended up sanding off...

 

[MC2FS]

I tried the gold tip outsert collar system. Outserts still bent. The tops of the collars started cracking and peeling down after a couple of weeks.

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Dang! I haven’t had that problem with the goldtip collars I’ve used. What type of target are your shooting into?

 

[jmez]

Bags and foam. Mainly bags.

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[Blockcaver]

Firenock aluminum outserts and the stainless steel Easton D-6 insert in combination for Easton Carbon Injexion 330s have been very durable for me. No fit issues with either component. I use Bohning Hot Melt on the outsert and just put the D-6 inserts in to stock depth with the Easton epoxy provided. They are simply an internal shaft reinforcement in this application and add a bit of FOC in the process. Some arrows are 6 years old and still working although the anodizing is worn off the Firenock outsert. I mainly shoot the Morrell bag target, the Rinehart 18-1 with some critters thrown in.

 

[MC2FS]

Thought I would do an update to anyone that might be interested after doing some experimenting these last couple years…

I currently prefer a long stainless insert with a collar. However, the material of the collar I have not found to matter as much as the length and strength of the insert.

I was breaking more arrows with short stainless inserts and stainless collars than I was a longer stainless insert with aluminum collar equaling the same tip weight. I believe this is because it allows for some flex in the arrow on those hard impacts in that configuration. I found aluminum inserts would bend on hard impacts and was very difficult to get back to spinning true.

What I have settled on is the Black Eagle FOCOS system on Rampage shafts. The system is a stainless insert with a sort of halfout aluminum sleeve that secures using a small screw. A large majority of the arrows will spin perfect and others just need a little clocking to get right. I keep extra sleeves on hand because they will bend on a hard impact but can be quickly replaced and have always spun true again.

 

[Seeknelk]

On 5mm shafts, use brass Easton hit and steel iron will collar. Haven't bent one yet. Glued whole works in with gorilla hot melt. I've changed points easily with a bic lighter. Zero reason to use epoxy that I've seen. I think lots of epoxy is super strong but sorta brittle where the hot melt has some give but doesn't break free or bend.
ALL halfouts or outserts WILL get bent from shooting bag targets!