Sleep System

[mattstanton]

been running some numbers and am trying to figure out the benefit of a paratarp and 3 wire bivy over say a fly creek ul 2? weight is the same but there is almost a $200 cost diff

 

[mattstanton]

been running some numbers and am trying to figure out the benefit of a paratarp and 3 wire bivy over say a fly creek ul 2? weight is the same but there is almost a $200 cost diff

other than one is a 3 season and one is 4 season

 

[wyelkhunter]

High-tec 15* bag = 2lb 13.7 oz - includes stuff sack
BA insulated air core = 1lb 11.5 oz - includes sack (heavier than most but a must have for me)
Ground sheet = 6.3 oz
Golite shangrila 5 2lb 2 oz - includes sack and stakes (we don't carry a pole) 2 of us sleep in this

Total weight = 8lbs 1.5 oz

 

[Backpack Hunter]

Supertarp 2lb 4oz
Slick bag 2lb
Kookabay pad 14oz

 

[cmeier117]

Zpacks 20 degree bag - 20 oz
Kifaru Super Tarp and Annex - 22 oz (Hopefully getting in for my B-day in June!)
12 Hilleberg Viper pegs - 4.6 oz
Thermarest Ridge Rest Solite Short - 9oz

Total weight = 3.5 lbs.

 

[Gman]

Shelter depends on solo or fast and light vs partner and ability to set camp:

Para-tarp - 11oz
ID BugaBoo Bivy - 32 oz
Sawtooth (if not paratarp) - all in at 3lbs 8oz
BA IAC - 24oz
WM Alpinlite -33oz

So for fast and light 6.25lbs if I did the math right and for load split with two 7.75lbs.

 

[Lawnboi]

cmeier can you tell me more about those stakes? seems pretty light for 12 of em.

I could drop alot of weight if i didnt want to carry a stove, but i think they are so darn cool ill definetly carry it, not to mention it may save a trip if the weather hits the fan!

 

[dotman]

I heard that when Aron is ready to sleep he just grabs a bear and uses it as a blanket, bear is so scared it is frozen in fear!

 

[cmeier117]

cmeier can you tell me more about those stakes? seems pretty light for 12 of em.

I could drop alot of weight if i didnt want to carry a stove, but i think they are so darn cool ill definetly carry it, not to mention it may save a trip if the weather hits the fan!

Here are the stakes. They weigh .38 oz a piece. They are the viper pegs.
http://www.hilleberg.com/home/special_offers.php

 

[Lawnboi]

How do you like them? if you have used them yet. Its looking like i can easily cut weight off my shelter by not using durapegs or groundhogs, iv been looking at TI pegs, and ill check those out as well. I dont think a 8+ inch peg is really needed to hold those short kifaru shelters down but i may be wrong? Id like to keep groundhogs for the cardinal pegs, then go with something very light for the rest.

 

[dotman]

Checkout mini ground hog http://www.moontrail.com/msr-mini-ground-hog-stakes.php

or

http://www.moontrail.com/vargo-titanium-stakes-ultalight.php

or

http://www.moontrail.com/terra-nova-carbon-fibre-peg.php

 

[Backpack Hunter]

I'm going to be testing these stakes out shortly http://www.moontrail.com/vargo-ascent-titanium-stakes-ultralight.php

 

[slim9300]

Marmot Helium Long sleeping bag w/ 10L Uberlight DrySack - 37 ounces
Exped SynMat UL 7 w/ patch kit - 17.23 ounces
Helleberg Nallo GT4 (split 2 ways) - 115 ounces

Total - 6.98 lbs.

 

[strawman]

Any extendable trekking pole that goes to atleast 56 inches works. Thats all i use with the paratipi

Mine only go to 53" plus they get pretty skinny/flimsy when extended all the way out. I found a way to lash two poles together that will work perfectly (found on BPL), just need to get the right materials.

 

[dotman]

Mine only go to 53" plus they get pretty skinny/flimsy when extended all the way out. I found a way to lash two poles together that will work perfectly (found on BPL), just need to get the right materials.

Sounds like new poles are inorder, shouldn't be flimsy.

 

[dotman]

I'm going to be testing these stakes out shortly http://www.moontrail.com/vargo-ascent-titanium-stakes-ultralight.php

I'm thinking the mini groundhogs will be a good test (i'll test these), we will have to give a stake review

 

[Lawnboi]

Mine only go to 53" plus they get pretty skinny/flimsy when extended all the way out. I found a way to lash two poles together that will work perfectly (found on BPL), just need to get the right materials.

You could also just cut a 6 or so inch piece of pvc to stick over the end of your pole to make it a hair longer. Or new poles, i would hate to have my shelter collapse when its storming out, or worse yet when the stove is red hot

 

[luke moffat]

I use my trekking poles to setup my 72" tall GoLite SL-5. No lashing required and never had a problem in the 50+ nights I have used the setup.

 

[cmeier117]

How do you like them? if you have used them yet. Its looking like i can easily cut weight off my shelter by not using durapegs or groundhogs, iv been looking at TI pegs, and ill check those out as well. I dont think a 8+ inch peg is really needed to hold those short kifaru shelters down but i may be wrong? Id like to keep groundhogs for the cardinal pegs, then go with something very light for the rest.

haven't had the chance to use them. I can say this and someone who has used Hilleberg correct me if I am wrong. But I believe their Akto and Nallo tents come with a "V" peg which is similar to these. At the price though they are worth a shot. I may carry a few Groundhogs or dura pegs for the main peg out points.

 

[stephen b]

I have a couple set ups depending on how light I want to go and depending on how bad the skeeters are in the early part of the season.

1. My real light weight down and dirty set up ( where I am not expecting any real significant weather or bugs):

Bag: Feather Friends Rock Wren 30 deg ( I have an older one that was rated at 30 and it is conservative- 1lb. 12 oz.
pad; RidgeRest or Z pad 3/4 length and slightly shaped (modified)- 8 oz
Tyvek or syl-nylon ground sheet ( our ground here tends to be wet. - 4 oz.
Shelter: My Terra Nova Bivi tarp fly ( including stakes and poles, but without the net)- 12 oz.

Link: http://www.prolitegear.com/terra-nova-bivi-tarp.html
Total 52 oz. ( 3lbs 4 oz)


2. next one is if bugs are bad- but weather is mild:

All of the above and then I switch out the tyvek/or syl. nylon ground sheet (4 oz) and put in the TN Bivi tarp's nest (13 oz.) so a 9 oz net gain which puts me at- ( 4 lbs 1 oz.)

3. next is a more comfortable set up:

all of the items in # 2; but I switch out the 3/4 Ridge rest ( 8oz.) and add in my Pacific Outdoor Equipment (Peak Elite AC) pad which is 20x72 and 2.5 " thick. Mine weighs 12.5 oz even though specs are 14oz.

* so this adds a net gain of 4.5 oz. which puts me at 4 lbs. 5.5 oz.

link to the POE pad: http://pacoutdoor.com/sleeping-pads/view/peak-elite-ac

4. Last is my set up where I am expecting any type of weather or bugs etc. that is thrown at me in early fall. This is what I usually carry because who knows what the weather will be.

Bag: Feather Friends Rock Wren which I have had down to 20deg and been very comfortable - 1lb. 12 oz.
Pad: Pacific Outdoor Equipment (Peak Elite AC) 12.5 oz
Tent/ Shelter: Integral Designs George Tarp. It is a great 1 or 2 person tipi shelter that is 6-7 ft tall: 26 oz

* I also have the Golite 3 SL which I can use solo, but it is slightly heavier (weighs about 24 oz for just the fly- minus the stakes) but it is a little bit tougher material than the Syl. nylon of the ID george tarp.

interior nest: solo I use the Terra Nova bivi nest, which is my ground sheet and netting 13 oz.

So total for the # 4 is 79.5 oz - which rounds up to 5 lbs.

**** If I decide to add in my ridgerest 3/4 pad to the POE pad it will add 8 oz. to my set up ( which I have often done before for either- comfort; ^ warmth; or another option if for any reason the airpad failed; but I mostly have added it to all my set ups just for the convenience of glassing, sitting etc.