Single Wall Condensation

[reaper]

Thanks luke moffat,tested and approved by my little girl lol with the 4 man tipi.

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[bourbon]

I too was Moffat inspired and threw together some stake extensions using some line loc3 and glowline i had laying around. Didnt have enough of either to stake out every loop but enough for a solid experiment on my sawtooth.

 

[reaper]

Nice bourbon

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[Only Dreaming]

I, well actually mostly my wife, am sewing up another MCR-85 copycat. It will be put to use this fall on a moose hunt here in the interior. Reading the thread, I get that air gaps are critical for reducing condensation. But I have a several questions. First, does allowing for the air gaps significantly increase the ventilation to where we would need either a bivy or consider warmer sleeping bags. Second, how much does a stove help, I assume a lot, in drying out the tipi? (i.e. Should I really get a stove this year rather than waiting until next year?) Third, should I consider a vent in the top akin to what SeekOutside has incorporated in their shelters?

 

[Only Dreaming]

BTW, the MCR-85 copycat is similar to the Kifaru Sawtooth.

 

[jmden]

Increased airflow almost always helps, and a stove will help tremendously, but only when it's creating heat. I think most folks spend the night without the stove going in these types of shelters, so then airflow becomes key again. I think that one little vent like SO has is better than nothing but the much larger amount of adjustable venting that WildSide Systems has in their TiptTents will help more.

 

[Shawn Hultquist]

I too was Moffat inspired and threw together some stake extensions using some line loc3 and glowline i had laying around. Didnt have enough of either to stake out every loop but enough for a solid experiment on my sawtooth.

Ike how you did this. How long are the loop extensions. I need to make some of these for my sawtooth as well.


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[colonel00]

Just buy some of the Linelocs with the loops on this page below. Then just add your one line with a loop at the end for a stake. I made my own for my Cimarron but have sense been shown these and they are pretty much exactly what I made and it's easier to just buy them.

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[Shawn Hultquist]

thanks Brad

 

[primitive]

With Kifaru buy a liner (I have one for my 8 man, 6 man, and Sawtooth), or a nest for the SO setups. On my Sawtooth I use 1/2 liner and it weighs 8 oz or so. Sure beats getting crushed with condensation and/or trying to set up your shelter in the dark (with wind/rain) with guy lines vs staking it down. For the piece of mind and weight I'd think its pretty simple!?

 

[reaper]

Bought a brand new half liner for my 4 man tipi(seekoutside)and tested this night.It looks to work, i mean the water from condensation is not on the liner but inside it...the part than i dont like is when i am touching the liner with my hand i can feel water(condensation)...so i guess if my sleeping bag or pack or anything else was touching the liner it will be wet...?...its where it sucks.Maybe it will be gone with the stove but the stove is not working when you get up at morning.Anyway it seen impossible to get rid at 100% of condensation just impossible,its a normal thing.

I have a question for the seekoutside Liner owners,do you guys have 5 panels on yours,mine have only 4 so i have a door who doesnt get liner protection??...i know it not suppose to cover the door,but they are talking about the zipper not the wall and looking at SO pictures on the website and their liners have 5 panels...?
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Mine:

Any tips/comments are welcome.

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[reaper]

Its where i think it should have a panel:

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[reaper]

update,i received a msg from Kevin and he told me than i got an older tipi style(2014)and they made some changes since and yes i need an older Liner this one is for the new style tipi.My 4 man has 10 panels while current ones have 8 panels.They should asked the customers how old is their tipis when they put an order...lol!!!

 

[Boreal]

Likely easier to explain it over the phone. Shoot me your number via PM and I will talk ya through how I did it whether its right or not

Luke, if you can write up an explanation, I'd read it! Just picked up the mytrailco pyramid 4 and looking for the tips and tricks.


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[Boreal]

Luke, if you can write up an explanation, I'd read it! Just picked up the mytrailco pyramid 4 and looking for the tips and tricks.


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Just found the great write up in the next pyramid topic.


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[chippewawarrior]

How long should you make the cord for the guyouts?

 

[mlob1one]

How long should you make the cord for the guyouts?

Depends on the shelter, weather, & ground. I typically use 36". If I only need short guylines I'll just use a lark's head knot on the tent and shorten tie out line. I also love the micro clam cleats from bearpawwd designs. They hold under any weather and have either glow in the dark or a dark earth color.

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[jmden]

If you have a tipi with no floor and there's any moisture in the ground cover/soil, etc. that moisture will find it's way, in part, along from the moisture from you cooking, drying off, breathing, etc. onto your tent walls. This is one very good reason to have a floor made of watertight material as it will help exclude a significant source of moisture from the tent environment. If you want to be comfortable to hunt hard day after day, often this means staying dry. A tipitent with a true floor and true bugproofing and a large amount of adjustable ventilation (they do exist at packable weights) that also takes a stove is a key to this, especially in bad weather. As is often the case, it's a weight packed vs. comfort issue, unfortunately.

 

[parshal]

How long should you make the cord for the guyouts?

I used 18" on my 12 man tipi and 24" on my Cimarron. That's backwards from what I shoulda done!

 

[Jcberg]

I bought a liner for my Sawtooth and it will NEVER come out! I just hunted in the rain for 3 days and it was the one piece of gear that stayed dry. Best purchase I've made in awhile!