Single Pin vs 5 pin

[Billy Goat]

Here is an example of what is being refered to as a 5 pin slider. It's the exact same head as the spot Hogg fixed pin sight, just mounted on a movable housing. I use the bottom pin as the adjustable. I can leave it set for 25-65 yards, then dial out past that.


Here is the same sight with single pin.


Can't beat a single pin for targets, I personally don't like it for hunting.

Next time you are shooting determine how many of your shots are kill shots versus perfect x-ring shots.

 

[V-TRAIN]

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The more I hear the more I like of the slider idea. I would think 3 pins plus a slider would be good.

This is a picture of one of my bows to give you an idea of the field of view. Unlike the spott hogg double pin, these pins are adjustable. They mount right to the spot hoggs, on several of my bows i had to get an extra spacer block and some longer screws. i only use 3 of the pins, run the other 2 way down, they don't look like they are in the picture. this is a trophy ridge peak mounted to a spot hogg tommy hogg.

 

[Gumbo]

Okay so I am also super interested in the "Slider" I read the other hunters on another forum love using a slider. So, newb question... is the slider for the last pin? Like 1-4 are fixed and the 5th would be a slider?

So as stated previously, on most sliders all the pins move downward. One pin, usually the bottom one, corresponds to the tape and you use it on longer shots. BUT what most people don't seem to realize is that because the whole housing moves (and consequently all the pins), you can dial each pin to a relatively precise yardage. If you have a 5-pin slider with the bottom pin set to 60 yards, when you dial the 60-yard pin down to 65, all your other pins have also moved down about 5 yards, in other words your 40 yard pin is now at about 45, 50 is at 55, etc. It isn't quite that simple because your 60-70 yard tape distance is greater 50-60, which is greater than 40-50, etc, so there is a little fudge factor. So for 45 your would really dial the 60 yard pin to 64 which puts the 40 yard pin at about 45-46. It isn't perfect and in reality, unless you have a REALLY slow bow, gap shooting out to 60-70 isn't that difficult for hunting, although it is a lot on spots. This is just a more versatile setup if you can sacrifice a little precision and deal with more pins in terms of your vision and brain at crunch time.

 

[ryryflyguy11]

I have been running a trophy ridge peak head (firewire v5 prior) on spott hogg tommy hoggs and hogg fathers for about 8 or 9 years. They have inline multiple pins, same field of view as a single pin, but you have multiple adjustable pins. i just use 3 of the 5 pins, run the other 2 all the way down, use the 3rd pin as my slider. it is the bees knees for hunting, best of both worlds. i have this set up on 4 bows currently.

I read this again and man Ill tell ya what, I might have to steal this idea from ya. It sounds like exactly what I would like , Now I am still super green and I am wondering about the adjustments. What I mean is I havent dealt with micro adjustments yet and TBH I am not sure I even know how to...YET, but I will learn. So are the adjustments on your 3-5 all slidding and you adjust those per further yardage shots? Again I am still just asking stupid questions cuz I am very green but I do a lot of research. I am addicted to this forum and AT forum.

 

[ryryflyguy11]

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This is a picture of one of my bows to give you an idea of the field of view. Unlike the spott hogg double pin, these pins are adjustable. They mount right to the spot hoggs, on several of my bows i had to get an extra spacer block and some longer screws. i only use 3 of the pins, run the other 2 way down, they don't look like they are in the picture. this is a trophy ridge peak mounted to a spot hogg tommy hogg.

hat is such a bad azz set up. Im all about that! So great now I have to see if my local shop has some I can try out! Sorry BTW I hadn't seen this post before I sent my other one where I asked exactly what you just told me!

 

[ryryflyguy11]

So as stated previously, on most sliders all the pins move downward. One pin, usually the bottom one, corresponds to the tape and you use it on longer shots. BUT what most people don't seem to realize is that because the whole housing moves (and consequently all the pins), you can dial each pin to a relatively precise yardage. If you have a 5-pin slider with the bottom pin set to 60 yards, when you dial the 60-yard pin down to 65, all your other pins have also moved down about 5 yards, in other words your 40 yard pin is now at about 45, 50 is at 55, etc. It isn't quite that simple because your 60-70 yard tape distance is greater 50-60, which is greater than 40-50, etc, so there is a little fudge factor. So for 45 your would really dial the 60 yard pin to 64 which puts the 40 yard pin at about 45-46. It isn't perfect and in reality, unless you have a REALLY slow bow, gap shooting out to 60-70 isn't that difficult for hunting, although it is a lot on spots. This is just a more versatile setup if you can sacrifice a little precision and deal with more pins in terms of your vision and brain at crunch time.

Hmm this actually is very interesting! I get what your saying, I am don't mind sacrificing my 3d if it makes for a better sight for hunting

 

[ryryflyguy11]

I have a spot Hogg fast eddie double pin single stud I love having the clear sight picture.

so that double inline pin adjust too right?

 

[Billy Goat]

so that double inline pin adjust too right?

The spot Hogg double pin is fixed, your indicator on the site corresponds to roughly. They have a double indicator on the dial. But you can't set them independently.

 

[Sobrbiker]

Between those two, a single pin all day long. I much prefer the cleaner sight picture and since I do a fair amount of target shooting all year, I'm much more used to a single pin.

The late 2019 and newer Black Gold Ascents have ability to do dual indicators. they can be very helpful for “centering up” your slider pin on a multi pin site.
I have the 5pin in a typical setup (20-30-40-50-60) and a relatively slower bow (250fps, 440gr arrows), and was having little site alignment/peep issues using my 60 pin as the slider. I set it up now so that I can use my 40 in the field (hunting and 3D) to dial 20-80, centered in my scope, and the 60 to practice out to about 105 before I run out of clearance, all the while having speed of a five pin when needed.
It’s a game changer for me

 

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I read this again and man Ill tell ya what, I might have to steal this idea from ya. It sounds like exactly what I would like , Now I am still super green and I am wondering about the adjustments. What I mean is I havent dealt with micro adjustments yet and TBH I am not sure I even know how to...YET, but I will learn. So are the adjustments on your 3-5 all slidding and you adjust those per further yardage shots? Again I am still just asking stupid questions cuz I am very green but I do a lot of research. I am addicted to this forum and AT forum.

I use 3 of the 5 pins.
I set he pins at 20, 30, and 40, the 3rd pin is my slider pin.

 

[406unltd]

I liked multi pin sights and shot them for years. But now I run the spot Hogg fast eddie with the double pin. I set my sight to 25/26yds on top pin and that puts my second pin at 40. This covers me from 0-50 yds not moving my sight with the addition of two small nail polish dots on the post. First one is 35yd the one right my above bubble level is 50. Plenty accurate for hunting and I practice it a lot. I only lost the 60 yd pin from my old 5 pin. For my it’s all about sight picture and the lack of clutter that single pin gives me is a must. I know it’s not for everyone but it really has helped me in hunting as well as target.

 

[aachey]

My bow shoots a 455 grain arrow about 285 and this is how mine looks. Indicators are on my top and bottom pin. As stated in my first post my top pin is what I use when I slide, except for over 80 I use the bottom. But my top pin is just about dead center in the sight housing.

 

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[Beendare]

I agree with MattB....I've seen guys miss pin animals in hunting situations....seen them not get a shot with a short window of opportunity....seen them busted by elk coming in while they were dicking with their site instead of holding stock still.

Sure these are dead on accurate at the 3D range...but they give you a false sense of security on a hunt.

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[Bamf_Pa]

3 pin slider is where I settled. Gone from 1 to 8 over the years and back and forth. The React trio is my favorite I like having my slider pin being up like a traditional one pin.

 

[Joe Holden]

My 2 bows are set up pretty different right now. 1 with a single pin, the other with a 5 pin slider. Love having fixed pins with potential to dial if absolutely needed for hunting. Like dialing a specific range for target.

Carried my single pin out turkey hunting this weekend and felt undergunned. That being said, i know how/where to hold with my single pin set at either 20 or 30 yards out to 40 or 60. Just would rather gap than hold over. Just don't shoot as accurately with a single pin hold over/under as i do with gapping.

 

[Laramie]

I'm not a fan of moving parts but I like a clean sight picture. I shoot a 450 grain arrow at 309 FPS so it is fairly flat shooting. I have a fixed 5 pin spot hog with 2 pins completely removed. I set my fixed pins at 20, 40, and 55. This gives a pretty clean sight picture and I am comfortable in the field to 60 - my personal maximum distance. It's simple, fast and effective. I don't win any 3D shoots with it but I haven't missed much in the last 10 years.

 

[ryryflyguy11]

This is all awesome info! Thanks guys! I will keep my axcel armortech 5 pin for this years hunting season. But I will absolutely consider a slider for next year. I like the idea of maybe a 3 pin slider. I also like the vertical pin idea too, so I will definitely need to try a bunch out. I also bought my axcel armortech on ebay and I need to find a instruction manual or a video on it. I have never had a sight with micro adjustment and a level. Im very new to all this. I don't even have the equipment to level it. If anyone knows of a video or tutorial on how to set it up, that would be much appreciated. This forum is awesome for intell.

 

[journeyman713]

The HHA single pin slider is what I settled on, after trying damn near everything on the market.
The pendulum sight was an interesting close second.

With the multi pin set up, it's inevitable you will, in the heat of the moment, use the wrong pin. It happens. And it clutters things up a bit too much for my liking.

You might think moving the slider to shoot, could be problematic. It's not, I set the the slide at 25 yards, leave it there and hunt with it that way. If he is closer or farther, I compensate by aiming at the bottom or top, of his heart. Shot a lot of whitetails this way! Anything that walks inside of 35 yards, is in my wheelhouse.

 

[Blaw]

I went from a 5 pin as soon as you start shooting further, they become useless.

I went with the 2 pin fast eddie, to be honest having the 2nd pin is pointless in my opinion.

I typically keep it at 30yrds. normally with a bow you have time to range, and it takes 2 secs to dial....if you don't have time to change it the animal is so close it probably doesn't matter hahaha.


single pin clears up the sight picture so much! and if you are expecting a close shot, such as the elk in my pic ( in thick bush) you obviously are gonna be at the 20yd mark....I shot him at 15yrds so the target just took up the whole sight picture anyway