SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[Formidilosus]

Which manufacturer?

Take a wild guess.

 

[Tod osier]

Yes. A 16oz can launched from a 5.56mm AR recoils about like a 12ga. While these cans are light, from large cartridges- you are getting into injury territory. I know of two people that have broke clavicles from large cartridges and cans coming apart and launching, and multiple others with soft tissue damage. Ironically… All from the same manufacturer.

Yes, it seemed that the recoil would not be trivial given that 3-4-5 ounces seem to be travelling significantly downrange.

I've been wanting to buy 2 of these cans and I think I'll hold off given that worrying that they are going to come apart at any second is not going to do anything for my shooting given that I'm recovered/recovering from a wicked flinch I had in my youth.

 

[TxLite]

Take a wild guess.

I mean with this being a Sico thread that would be my guess..

I’ve also seen a similar post regarding broken clavicle with what I seem to recall was from an omega

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Yes. A 16oz can launched from a 5.56mm AR recoils about like a 12ga. While these cans are light, from large cartridges- you are getting into injury territory. I know of two people that have broke clavicles from large cartridges and cans coming apart and launching, and multiple others with soft tissue damage. Ironically… All from the same manufacturer.

/s Now we know who the plaintiff’s attorney will hire as expert witness. /s


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[Dave_S]

Yes, it seemed that the recoil would not be trivial given that 3-4-5 ounces seem to be travelling significantly downrange.

I've been wanting to buy 2 of these cans and I think I'll hold off given that worrying that they are going to come apart at any second is not going to do anything for my shooting given that I'm recovered/recovering from a wicked flinch I had in my youth.

Might be back to the drawing board for me as well. I guess I’ll wait for TBAC availability.


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[HighUintas]

Does anyone know of a web link that evaluates the TBACs summit data? Maybe they do an adequate job if explaining it in their own paper, but I've only skimmed it and looked at the data.

Going off of their data and looking at SE dBa and SE dBa leq, it seems that if you want to lightest/shortest/quietest, the nomad xc ti and tbac ultra 9 are good options. I know there's others but those stood out to me. If the nomad xc ti holds up better than the scythe, it seems that one with a Ti flush direct thread would be the absolute winner for weight and length

 

[Tmac]

Mine has lived on a 20” bolt action 6.5 Grendel, couple hundred rounds. Planned on moving it to the same platform in 6mm ARC, probably still will, but it is for the grands to hunt with so not so sure anymore.

Not happy to hear about all the issues at all.

 

[wesfromky]

Does anyone know of a web link that evaluates the TBACs summit data? Maybe they do an adequate job if explaining it in their own paper, but I've only skimmed it and looked at the data.

Going off of their data and looking at SE dBa and SE dBa leq, it seems that if you want to lightest/shortest/quietest, the nomad xc ti and tbac ultra 9 are good options. I know there's others but those stood out to me. If the nomad xc ti holds up better than the scythe, it seems that one with a Ti flush direct thread would be the absolute winner for weight and length

This might help some: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2024...r-summit-hard-data-to-compare-250-suppresors/

And, though not everyone is a fan, pew science also has some good writeups.

 

[Tmac]

Yes. A 16oz can launched from a 5.56mm AR recoils about like a 12ga. While these cans are light, from large cartridges- you are getting into injury territory. I know of two people that have broke clavicles from large cartridges and cans coming apart and launching, and multiple others with soft tissue damage. Ironically… All from the same manufacturer.

Curious if these cases have been presented to the manfu yet? If so what was the response, if that can be shared. Very concerning info. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Take a wild guess.

TBAC ???

 

[JJ.]

I’m guessing there will be a few seconds of surprise.

And a few hours of ringing ears

 

[Dave_S]

Does anyone know of a web link that evaluates the TBACs summit data? Maybe they do an adequate job if explaining it in their own paper, but I've only skimmed it and looked at the data.

Going off of their data and looking at SE dBa and SE dBa leq, it seems that if you want to lightest/shortest/quietest, the nomad xc ti and tbac ultra 9 are good options. I know there's others but those stood out to me. If the nomad xc ti holds up better than the scythe, it seems that one with a Ti flush direct thread would be the absolute winner for weight and length

I saw in another thread someone posted about a nomad failure that took 11 months to get fixed. I'm not sure if that was an xc ti or one of the others in the lineup, but it sounds like Dead Air hasn't fixed their CS issues. I considered this as an alternative to the scythe, but I still remember how poorly they handled the problems with the sierra 5.

For those of you with scythe failures, how has silencerco been as far as turn-around time to repair/replace?

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I saw in another thread someone posted about a nomad failure that took 11 months to get fixed. I'm not sure if that was an xc ti or one of the others in the lineup, but it sounds like Dead Air hasn't fixed their CS issues. I considered this as an alternative to the scythe, but I still remember how poorly they handled the problems with the sierra 5.

For those of you with scythe failures, how has silencerco been as far as turn-around time to repair/replace?

That was the old Ti, it was welded. The XC is 3d printed.

 

[Dave_S]

That was the old Ti, it was welded. The XC is 3d printed.

Fair enough. I'd imagine that eliminates some of the weak points. I really don't know much about how 3d printing affects the function and integrity of the can. Either way, with DA's history, I suspect I'll either wait around for something from TBAC or go with a heavier can that I can be more confident in.

 

[JGRaider]

Take a wild guess.

There's really no good reason to tell the story of suppressor blow ups and injuries if you're not going to name names. The truth is what it is, the truth.

 

[wind gypsy]

Fair enough. I'd imagine that eliminates some of the weak points. I really don't know much about how 3d printing affects the function and integrity of the can. Either way, with DA's history, I suspect I'll either wait around for something from TBAC or go with a heavier can that I can be more confident in.

Dead Air previously outsourced manufacturing with the cans that had a high failure rate. I don't believe that is the case with the new 3d models. They seemed to lean on the inability to get the 3rd party to rectify the issues in a timely manner previously as their excuse.

Not saying it wasn't a black eye and isn't valid in making a decision on which company one should buy from, just adding context.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Fair enough. I'd imagine that eliminates some of the weak points. I really don't know much about how 3d printing affects the function and integrity of the can. Either way, with DA's history, I suspect I'll either wait around for something from TBAC or go with a heavier can that I can be more confident in.

Supposedly the 3d's are stronger and allow for a wee bit more empty space inside because there's no welds. I have an XC but have yet to use it, feels really nice and I had the luxury of fondling both the Scythe Ti and the XC side by side. I went in to buy the Scythe and was unaware the XC existed, but LGS guy said I need to look at it and after fondling both the XC felt like a better product and looked better so I went with that. I haven't shot it yet, but it's largest rifle will be a 20" 6.5 PRC so I'm not really concerned anyway.