SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[JJ.]

Take it for what you will but they don't think they have a problem and believe it's customer misuse.

Frustrating

 

[dirtytough]

I’m going to be starting the process to get my first can this weekend and I was set on getting the scythe ti or possibly the tbac ultra 7 but after reading this thread I’m not sure. If you were only going to buy one would you let the small percentage of failures deter you away from the scythe?

According to this poll it's 8.5%. Doesn't seem like a small percent to me. Or you could believe SiCo that it's less than 1% and it's from misuse.

My opinion is there are so many other good suppressors out there it's not worth taking a chance on the Scythe especially if it's your only one.

 

[TheLoamRanger]

I’m going to be starting the process to get my first can this weekend and I was set on getting the scythe ti or possibly the tbac ultra 7 but after reading this thread I’m not sure. If you were only going to buy one would you let the small percentage of failures deter you away from the scythe?

I'm seriously close to pulling the trigger on my first center fire can, and I'm in pretty much the same spot as you.
I don't know if I want to wait for a TBAC 5 (my 1st choice), and the Scythe Ti pretty much checked all of the boxes until reading this thread.
Thanks everyone for contributing your experiences here - good and bad.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

According to this poll it's 8.5%. Doesn't seem like a small percent to me. Or you could believe SiCo that it's less than 1% and it's from misuse.

My opinion is there are so many other good suppressors out there it's not worth taking a chance on the Scythe especially if it's your only one.

I’m willing to believe that the failure rate reported here is higher than the actual failure rate. Happy customers don’t go looking for answers. With that said, if I was counsel for Silencer Co, I’d be worried about lawsuits from even a 1% failure rate. And I would be wary of customer service messaging that says, “they are caused by misuse.” What is misuse? Firing 500 rounds full auto through one? Using it as a hammer? None of the users here have reported that.

I still haven’t tried mine yet because I am still waiting on my custom barrel from PAC-NOR. I don’t think I will have any issues with an 18” 6.5 Grendel. But I would be lying if I said there won’t be any pucker factor every time I pull the trigger, which is something I never expect to encounter with a modern firearm in good repair.


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[Kurts86]

Based on my experience manufacturing consumer goods 1-2% service call rate is normal 2-4% is considered a distractor and north of 4% is pushing into recall territory.

 

[dirtytough]

I’m willing to believe that the failure rate reported here is higher than the actual failure rate. Happy customers don’t go looking for answers. With that said, if I was counsel for Silencer Co, I’d be worried about lawsuits from even a 1% failure rate. And I would be wary of customer service messaging that says, “they are caused by misuse.” What is misuse? Firing 500 rounds full auto through one? Using it as a hammer? None of the users here have reported that.

It very well could be. But when you read the failure reports here does it read like they are getting misused? Since SiCo is saying the failures are from misuse and basically blaming the customer, (shocking) I personally don't believe their 1% line either.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Well, I was already talking to silencer co about another can and decided to ask about the failures with this can since I want to buy one for a hunting rifle.

Here is what I asked: "I've seen a handful of people posting pictures of the scythe TI breaking right at the second weld. Do you guys know if it was a bad batch or how you guys fixed the problem?"

Their response: No those are well under 1% of Scythes out there and it's typically due to misuse.

Take it for what you will but they don't think they have a problem and believe it's customer misuse.

This is the same answer I got, he summarized misuse by "putting it on a semi auto and getting it to hot by putting too many rounds through it, typically not something that would happen on a bolt gun".

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Based on my experience manufacturing consumer goods 1-2% service call rate is normal 2-4% is considered a distractor and north of 4% is pushing into recall territory.

Are those consumer goods having catastrophic failures that seem quite capable of hurting the user or nearby spectators?

I get that 1% failure rate is acceptable for some goods, but when you manage risk you have to consider the possible consequences of failure, not just the frequency rate.


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[Ucsdryder]

K length. I got it as a game gun suppressor. Only shot it on my 3006 which I’ll be using at nrl in March. It’s going to do its purpose better than anything else I have. I havnt shot it in my dasher yet. It is louder, but recoils like a brake without the noise and concussion. Still not as effective as an efficient brake but I gave up on those.

I really want a full size Magnus RR to build a 15ish pound 300 Norma.
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I have a 22” 300nmi. I have a 338 ultra that makes it enjoyable to shoot but for a back country rifle the length is pushing it. I’d like a RR S OR K. I’m worried the K is too short to give adequate noise suppression though. I’m curious to hear your thoughts!

 

[Q_Sertorius]

It very well could be. But when you read the failure reports here does it read like they are getting misused? Since SiCo is saying the failures are from misuse and basically blaming the customer, (shocking) I personally don't believe their 1% line either.

Yeah, that’s my point. I think everyone here has had a failure with a bolt gun that is within the specs for the suppressor.


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[Lawnboi]

Silencerco has a decent history of blown up suppressors.

Good customer service experience after a failure is viewed as better than just buying a product that dosnt fail.

The poll has 117 scythe owners votes right now. That’s getting to be a decent number and I’d bet that Rokslide is the perfect demographic for a survey like this .

 

[Kurts86]

Are those consumer goods having catastrophic failures that seem quite capable of hurting the user or nearby spectators?

I get that 1% failure rate is acceptable for some goods, but when you manage risk you have to consider the possible consequences of failure, not just the frequency rate.


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Yes they had the possibility of hurting people in a failure but the rates were tracked regardless of whether or not it was a cosmetic defect or a catastrophic failure. We had consumer agency testing compliance labs and kept sample units for a decade or so if there was litigation from insurance claims.

 

[Lawnboi]

I have a 22” 300nmi. I have a 338 ultra that makes it enjoyable to shoot but for a back country rifle the length is pushing it. I’d like a RR S OR K. I’m worried the K is too short to give adequate noise suppression though. I’m curious to hear your thoughts!

I wouldn’t use the K for a hunting gun. I mean I’d still crack one off without ear pro but I’d do so knowing it’s not good for me. It’s not bare muzzle loud, but it’s got some bark. Burning that much powder might change things too. On my 3006 I could tolerate a shot without ear pro, similar to bare muzzle but if it was purpose built for hunting I’d be inclined to just use my regular Magnus .


I think the braked suppressor market is going to grow, could get interesting.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I’m going to be starting the process to get my first can this weekend and I was set on getting the scythe ti or possibly the tbac ultra 7 but after reading this thread I’m not sure. If you were only going to buy one would you let the small percentage of failures deter you away from the scythe?

Personally, if I didn’t have a scythe already, I’d be avoiding them at this point. I have a TBAC ultra 7 which I like better anyways. I’ve always thought silencer co silencers were sort of cheap but the scythe was supposed to be the newest hottest shit, now they are blowing up. For me it would be a hard pass but I already have one so it is what it is.

 

[Kurts86]

Also for what it’s worth I would guess titanium welding has a much higher failure rate than stainless steel. I wouldn’t be surprised if the internal data showed 2x failure rates or more for Ti vs stainless steel and that was tolerated because they made $500 more on the Ti can.

 

[HighUintas]

I think it was Ryan Avery last year who in another thread said something about not being so sure about the longevity of this can.... Or something to that effect. I think he was referring to blow ups. He called it!!!

 

[Lawnboi]

I think it was Ryan Avery last year who in another thread said something about not being so sure about the longevity of this can.... Or something to that effect. I think he was referring to blow ups. He called it!!!

I think he said his hasn’t blown up, and I know he’s blown up a few

 

[BBob]

I’m going to be starting the process to get my first can this weekend and I was set on getting the scythe ti or possibly the tbac ultra 7 but after reading this thread I’m not sure. If you were only going to buy one would you let the small percentage of failures deter you away from the scythe?

My personal thoughts at this moment from the cans I’ve used and experienced so far. If I were to want to buy only one hunting can and cost was a factor I’d buy a Diligent Defense Enticer S in stainless. If I had a bit more money I’d buy the DD Enticer S Ti. If money was no problem I’d buy a DA Nomad Ti XC or the tried and true TBAC U7. The Scythe is a nice can but if you’re worried and absolutely don’t want a failure I’d buy something else at this point. I myself planned from the beginning to use mine on a smaller cartridge so I’m not worrying much.

 

[HighUintas]

I called silencerco and reported what we're seeing here. ~120 reports, ~8.5% failure rate, all bolt actions, people seem to keep them cool/no rapid fire, common failure theme is 20-22" of a magnum, typically somewhat low round counts.

He said misuse they refer to (and maybe see in warranty returns but he didn't explicitly state they see it) is typically using them on semi autos, rapid fire, and getting too hot. He said their failure rate they see is less than 1% and they're not concerned about it. He said they're selling more than 1000 of these per month, so their sample size is large.

I also commented on round count/"shelf life" of the suppressor concerned about using it for all my shooting at 1000-1500 rounds a year and said that wasn't a concern. I said I use it on a 16" 223 and 22" 243 and didn't want to blow mine up so what recommendations can he provide for preventing that. He said they recommend no more than 10rds/min to keep it cool and that's pretty much it.

So.... That's incredibly unsatisfying. 10rds/min from my 16" 223 would get that thing super hot in a hurry.

Who wants to test 10rds/min with their 20" 300 prc?