"Sickening - How Big Pharma Broke American Health Care"

[Broomd]

American's are fat. 40% of adults are obese and 70% are overweight. I'm actually surprised these people live as long as they do.

Agreed, walk by any Walmart grocery cart and behold the garbage people put into their bodies.
Unbelievable.
It's a miracle they live as long as they do, especially given that they refuse to exercise in any way.

 

[Wvroach]

Every patient cured is a customer lost.

 

[4rcgoat]

Agree,people are living longer,but how is the quality of their lives

Every patient cured is a customer lost.

Exactly....no profit in a healthy society.

 

[RMM]

My son is a T1, with really good insurance it costs an insane amount of money per year.

I personally know to dang many people that won't do crap as far as eating right, exercising, just in general taking care of themselves. Just need the doctor to write a few more prescription for some more magic pills to fix all the problem they have self-inflicted on themselves.

T1 here as well, my insurance changed at the beginning of the year and gave me no warning. My insulin is no longer covered. Pharmacy wants $1200 for short and long acting combined. Luckily I discovered Walmart sells vials of insulin for about ~$25 a vial. Much cheaper than my cost with insurance even.

 

[Fatcamp]

T1 here as well, my insurance changed at the beginning of the year and gave me no warning. My insulin is no longer covered. Pharmacy wants $1200 for short and long acting combined. Luckily I discovered Walmart sells vials of insulin for about ~$25 a vial. Much cheaper than my cost with insurance even.

That's amazing.

 

[5MilesBack]

It's a combination of pharma, insurance, government, and people. It's a system that's unsustainable just like SS, Medicare, and welfare. It all leads to the bankruptcy of our nation.

 

[Shraggs]

X Pharma here. Historically there have been a number of things Pharma has done.

Someone mentioned insurance, I’m always so surprised how quickly folks want to blame companies that generally invent products that help. A much more intelligent look at insurance, the money flow, the forced counter to medical guidelines is in order…. Could also talk about the US approval process vs the rest of the world.

Not going to deny bad apples in pharmacy, and I’d argue most aren’t us based. But the thought of an academic writing about bad Pharma us frankly laughable. The pot calling the kettle black. Folks have no idea thes schools have involvement in the gateway to the approval process and their typical grants annually and the dependent revenue pharma gives them.

Wonder if anyone asked this puts what grants requested if pharma he was denied in past few years….

 

[fwafwow]

X Pharma here. Historically there have been a number of things Pharma has done.

Someone mentioned insurance, I’m always so surprised how quickly folks want to blame companies that generally invent products that help. A much more intelligent look at insurance, the money flow, the forced counter to medical guidelines is in order…. Could also talk about the US approval process vs the rest of the world.

Not going to deny bad apples in pharmacy, and I’d argue most aren’t us based. But the thought of an academic writing about bad Pharma us frankly laughable. The pot calling the kettle black. Folks have no idea thes schools have involvement in the gateway to the approval process and their typical grants annually and the dependent revenue pharma gives them.

Wonder if anyone asked this puts what grants requested if pharma he was denied in past few years….

Sorry, but I’m having a hard time understanding your post.

 

[Shraggs]

Typed fast. There are many participants in the failure and success of medicine. Tried to detail a few.

The boggie man is not pharma. I’d look to those claiming they are is more responsible or in part. Masking their responsibility. You know Solinski

 

[Kilboars]

Ever watch any daytime TV. It’s all drug company ads on every BS thing you can think of.

Just ask your Dr.


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[fwafwow]

Ever watch any daytime TV. It’s all drug company ads on every BS thing you can think of.

Just ask your Dr.


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One of the problems - direct to consumer advertising for prescription meds. Only one other country (New Zealand) permits this, and there the ads must be accurate. Not here.

 

[307]

y their fault. We've been lied to for many years, decades actually, about the proper human diet. This is the main problem. The "food pyramid" that our government has pushed on all of us and told us this is the healthy way to eat, is wrong. They tell us to eat lots of grain, and carbs, and sugar. They also tell us to avoid eating fat. So people following the guidelines, and trying to be healthy, still get fat. I'm 54 and only two years ago discovered I've been eating wrong my entire life. The other thing they tell people is that you should eat three meals a day and to eat "snacks" all day long in between your meals. All bad advice. One last thing- diabetes is a huge issue, and the only solution people are given is to take insulin the rest of their life, when all they need to do is change their diet and reverse their diabetes in a very short time. But they want to sell lots of insulin so they continue to lie to the people.

This is incredibly misinformed.

 

[Button]

Many people are not aware or smart enough to know what healthy is or how to achieve it. I see it every day.

Im no veggie flake health nut. I prefer Copenhagen wintergreen and my rum extra dark. But I do make health conscience decisions in all other aspects. I’m sure I’m one fungus trip away from kicking the dip.

The world is filled with idiot blobs.

I’m just an average dude. Not perfect, never will be. I’m not sure what perfect means but in certain societies it sounds like hell. But know enough to see good, bad, and have a good time. While not being a total tit sucking blight.

 

[Button]

This is incredibly misinformed.

Please elaborate on bdan68 post. You can just say misinformation and not provide your opinion on why.

Everyone’s ‘food pyramid’ is different. Look at the Tarahumara people of Mexico. Big govt/corporation(same thing at this point) moved in and turned many obese diabetic. Everyone has free will. Yes. I won’t argue. It’s a sad situation we the people are in. People cry grass roots. I think we as hunters/fishers/gathers are the real grass roots. We know what’s healthy. I’m sure there’s doctors reading this on the internet or at minimum a college student aspiring to be a doctor.

 

[bdan68]

This is incredibly misinformed.

You must be a doctor!

 

[Baddog]

Yes, people in general ARE overweight, but this isn't really their fault. We've been lied to for many years, decades actually, about the proper human diet. This is the main problem. The "food pyramid" that our government has pushed on all of us and told us this is the healthy way to eat, is wrong. They tell us to eat lots of grain, and carbs, and sugar. They also tell us to avoid eating fat. So people following the guidelines, and trying to be healthy, still get fat. I'm 54 and only two years ago discovered I've been eating wrong my entire life. The other thing they tell people is that you should eat three meals a day and to eat "snacks" all day long in between your meals. All bad advice. One last thing- diabetes is a huge issue, and the only solution people are given is to take insulin the rest of their life, when all they need to do is change their diet and reverse their diabetes in a very short time. But they want to sell lots of insulin so they continue to lie to the people.

Well lets hear what your daily foods are. I’m always curious and have tried a few different “diets” over the years but I always like hearing what works for others

 

[307]

You must be a doctor!

Yep.

 

[bdan68]

Well lets hear what your daily foods are. I’m always curious and have tried a few different “diets” over the years but I always like hearing what works for others.

Steak and eggs most days. Beef liver maybe once a week. Canned sardines and/or salmon about every other day. Coffee with heavy cream. Chicken and pork occasionally. Clams and oysters occasionally. Lots of ground deer/elk meat. That's about it.

 

[CamoPirate]

I'm in healthcare and can say that a large majority of people I see choose not to get and/or stay healthy. They use the medical system to keep them "healthy" thinking that there is a pill to fix everything.

The reverse could be equally applicable. I take my grandma to the hospital for her appointments and I'd say the large majority of healthcare workers aren't healthy looking either.

 

[Rob5589]

The reverse could be equally applicable. I take my grandma to the hospital for her appointments and I'd say the large majority of healthcare workers aren't healthy looking either.

No doubt. "We" aren't exactly the personification of health. Plenty of smoking, poor diet, alcohol, drugs, poor mental health, etc. Unfortunately many care for others significantly more than for themselves.