No offense was taken with the packout comments. I just want to be clear about my attitude towards this whole western backpack hunting thing. I do it because it's the only way I can afford an authentic diy hunt. I buy the best pack and big tent with a stove because I'm trying to make it as comfortable as possible. If I can find the elk in some gentle terrain and sleep in a wall tent with a big stove I'm all about it. If I could afford a packer on speed dial I'd have that too. What I don't want is to buy a hunt and it not be my logistics plans , hunting plans , field decisions , finding the animal , judging the animal , and finally killing the animal. That's the hunt to me. The packing and cleaning and everything else is just work that has to be done to get to where I want to be. I like the rest some but it's not a driver to me. I don't camp for any other reason than hunting.