SippyCup
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
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Probably about the same. They operate on the same premise.I wonder how these compare with the new Federal “Plus Peak” steel cases? I hear some companies plan on making dies for their cases
I literally just ran the case dry into the mandrel.Just received my order for the brass. Did you just use the mandrel to evenly size the necks? If so did you just add sizing lube inside the neck and run the mandrel through it?
I loaded up a 10 round ladder from 44.5 gr to 49 gr of varget to pressure test. Seating the bullets felt a little crunchy, wondering if sizing the necks would help. Also, did you chamfer and deburr? I felt like these cases didn't chamfer and deburr as nicely as normal brass does.
Not completely true. Shell Shocl Technologies states that NAS3 are not intended for higher pressure loading, rather they achieve higher velocities through increased powder capacity (~11% for 308). That means reloading at higher pressures is at your own risk.Probably about the same. They operate on the same premise.
I think what you’ve uncovered here is that a small company has less legal risk tolerance than a big one.Not completely true. Shell Shocl Technologies states that NAS3 are not intended for higher pressure loading, rather they achieve higher velocities through increased powder capacity (~11% for 308). That means reloading at higher pressures is at your own risk.
From their website:
Increased Internal Volume and Ballistic Efficiency
One of the most meaningful engineering advantages of NAS³ cases is their increased internal case volume compared to traditional brass. This optimized geometry allows for more efficient energy utilization when the powder is ignited.
When properly loaded within SAAMI pressure limits, NAS³ ammunition can achieve higher velocities than comparable brass-cased ammunition at standard SAAMI pressures. While NAS³ cases are engineered to withstand demanding operating conditions, they are not intended to be loaded beyond SAAMI specifications. Over-pressurizing any cartridge case can result in firearm damage or personal injury.
I have no skin in this game, just making an important clarification so folks reading this thread don't assume that NAS3 are as tested and vetted for high pressure as are +Peak cases. Feel free to share factual information or load data to enlighten us.I think what you’ve uncovered here is that a small company has less legal risk tolerance than a big one.
Feel free to call the owner and see what he says.
Load data and testing is in the thread. In fact, it is the entire point of the thread.I have no skin in this game, just making an important clarification so folks reading this thread don't assume that NAS3 are as tested and vetted for high pressure as are +Peak cases. Feel free to share factual information or load data to enlighten us.
Here's a thread with 308 load testing using Varget (308 class powder) and pressure discussion. It appears that most of the velocity gain is from the larger powder charge.
I'm messing around with the NAS3 cases for my .308 to see how much more FPS I can squeeze out of it. Did a pressure test yesterday running 168gr Barnes TTSX out of a 21" barrel. My old load was 44gr of Varget out of Hornady brass, I was getting about 2670 FPS.
I did a ladder test from 44.5 - 49gr of Varget. Below is a picture of the brass. I don't notice any pressure signs and didn't have a difficult bolt lift either. Do you guys see any signs of pressure? Velocities for each shot are below, as is the order (I believe) of impacts and my POA. With increasing velocity it seemed to shift up...
Pressure signs are difficult to see on steel cases and blanket assumptions can lead to dangerous loads when working at high pressures. Reload according to your personal risk tolerance.