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[westonadkins]

Fresh Tracks on DOGE and public land management.

What are your thoughts on some of these concepts?

- Long term goals of privatization of currently public lands (Utah comes to mind)
- Socializing the costs (e.g. under market value leases); privatization of the profits relating to public land use
- "Run it like a business!" And not running it at all like a business
- Intentionally mismanaging / under funding public lands to change public sentiment with the end goal of a public land sell off

Obviously important topics to us public land hunters and conservation-minded folks.

I'm developing my own opinions on the topic, so curious to hear alternate view points or if the 'slide generally agrees with what he puts forth here.


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[realunlucky]

Well this no doubt turn into a shit show of a thread. Here's the disclaimer

If your the guy that runs this into the political weeds -

YOU WILL GET A VACATION

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[HighUintas]

I agree with most of what Randy said in that video.

 

[diamond10x]

Watched it and I agree with a lot of points and thoughts of Randy’s but it seemed like a lot of hyperbole…

- he brings up “project 2025”, the current admin has repeatedly denied being part of that vehemently from what I have seen
- William Perry pendley : everyone i think would agree he isn’t good for public land, period. The guy was nominated but never confirmed in 2020, new admin took over, now trump admin back in office and he isn’t part of it or been nominated as of yet
- the us govt is the largest employer, and I know Randy, Marcus, nor any business owners they have known have managed a company that big. Finding and cutting waste has to start somewhere and i imagine would be a little different than even a Fortune 500 company would go about it.
- time will tell on the “purposefully mismanage for the intent to sell off” public lands but I don’t see the majority of the American public allowing that, no matter who is in office.

I don’t agree with the selling off of public land. I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this, but to me the right to hunt and fish ranks above public lands.

 

[jimh406]

Hard to follow this second thread, too.

 

[BKM]

Watched it and I agree with a lot of points and thoughts of Randy’s but it seemed like a lot of hyperbole…

- he brings up “project 2025”, the current admin has repeatedly denied being part of that vehemently from what I have seen
- William Perry pendley : everyone i think would agree he isn’t good for public land, period. The guy was nominated but never confirmed in 2020, new admin took over, now trump admin back in office and he isn’t part of it or been nominated as of yet
- the us govt is the largest employer, and I know Randy, Marcus, nor any business owners they have known have managed a company that big. Finding and cutting waste has to start somewhere and i imagine would be a little different than even a Fortune 500 company would go about it.
- time will tell on the “purposefully mismanage for the intent to sell off” public lands but I don’t see the majority of the American public allowing that, no matter who is in office.

I don’t agree with the selling off of public land. I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this, but to me the right to hunt and fish ranks above public lands.

Trump may distance himself from project 2025 but be has hired people that were directly involved in its creation.

One way or another (weather he admits it or not) project 2025 is influencing our current policy.

 

[bigbassin]

It’s wild to me that the possibility of selling off public land even gets discussed. I can’t think of a single person I know in real life that thinks it’s a good idea.

Of course my social circle consists of hunters, fishers, and hikers so maybe I just live in a thought bubble.

I’d also be curious if there’s a regional difference. I.e. I live in a state that’s under 10% public, does that make the land seem more valuable to me and folks I know than if I lived where 50% was public?

 

[cnelk]

I quit watching any of Uncle Randy’s stuff years ago

 

[Poser]

It’s wild to me that the possibility of selling off public land even gets discussed. I can’t think of a single person I know in real life that thinks it’s a good idea.

Its difficult to imagine that a person who desires to sell of public lands is anything short of an intolerable/insufferable person to be around: miserable people who can't stand anyone else living a life that is anything short of miserable as well. Like you, I don't know anyone personally who holds this position. Amazingly, the only people I've interacted with who hold this position are on hunting forums and while they are the exception, they do exist.

Of course my social circle consists of hunters, fishers, and hikers so maybe I just live in a thought bubble.

I’d also be curious if there’s a regional difference. I.e. I live in a state that’s under 10% public, does that make the land seem more valuable to me and folks I know than if I lived where 50% was public?

I would guess that Its probably more difficult to turn up enemies of public lands in Mountain West states where tourism, recreation, grazing and various industry sectors are set up around these lands and that it would easier to find such people far away from public lands in places where they've had little to no interaction with such lands, but that's just a guess. I'm sure there are exceptions either way and its certainly the case that some people who live in areas with little access to public lands value it even more once they've had exposure to access.

 

[rogerdoger]

Musk is following the ideas of the Milton Friedman (famous economist) in his approach to government cuts. Milton Friedman was a huge proponent of selling off all federal land. His thought was to only keep federal land that housed buildings. Once the remaining federal land was sold the government could completely get rid of the Department of the Interior.

 

[Poser]

Musk is following the ideas of the Milton Friedman (famous economist) in his approach to government cuts. Milton Friedman was a huge proponent of selling off all federal land. His thought was to only keep federal land that housed buildings. Once the remaining federal land was sold the government could completely get rid of the Department of the Interior.

It absolute insanity that we ended up in a place where Elon Musk has the amount of direct influence to inject any philosophy into American economics, sociology and culture much less be the primary influence, but here we are.

 

[NDGuy]

- he brings up “project 2025”, the current admin has repeatedly denied being part of that vehemently from what I have seen

Project 2025 Tracker

Track the progress on Project 2025

www.project2025.observer

After Trump's Project 2025 denials, he is tapping its authors and influencers for key roles

During the campaign, President-elect Donald Trump denied knowing anything about the “ridiculous and abysmal” plans, even though some were written by his former aides and many allies.

apnews.com

Project 2025 Author Russell Vought Confirmed By Senate: Here Are All The Trump Officials With Ties To Policy Agenda

Trump has named several people tied to Project 2025 to his administration, even after he disavowed the extreme policy agenda.

www.forbes.com

 

[NDGuy]

It absolute insanity that we ended up in a place where Elon Musk has the amount of direct influence to inject any philosophy into American economics, sociology and culture much less be the primary influence, but here we are.

Conveniently firing people overseeing SpaceX, Tesla, Starlink. Just saw Verizon had a contract terminated with the FAA that...Starlink will scoop up.

 

[NDGuy]

- "Run it like a business!" And not running it at all like a business
- Intentionally mismanaging / under funding public lands to change public sentiment with the end goal of a public land sell off

Not everything SHOULD be run like a business. The "value/return" on investment is public good.

 

[roosterdown]

On the plus side, there will be huge numbers of new jobs created: the mega-rich new owners will need big staffs of backcountry security to keep us out of their formerly-public lands.

 

[Tod osier]

Fresh Tracks on DOGE and public land management.

What are your thoughts on some of these concepts?

- Long term goals of privatization of currently public lands (Utah comes to mind)
- Socializing the costs (e.g. under market value leases); privatization of the profits relating to public land use
- "Run it like a business!" And not running it at all like a business
- Intentionally mismanaging / under funding public lands to change public sentiment with the end goal of a public land sell off

Obviously important topics to us public land hunters and conservation-minded folks.

I'm developing my own opinions on the topic, so curious to hear alternate view points or if the 'slide generally agrees with what he puts forth here.


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Hard to watch him and feel like he is doing anything other than advocating for the status quo to feed his public land driven gravy train at best or at worst using the potential crisis for clicks.

Love our public land, dislike the pimps.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

This admin is only going to last 4 years. If they want to continue another 4-8 years under, say, JD Vance they’ll need voters again. Selling off public lands will tank the popularity vote IMO. I’ll believe it when I see it, for now it’s a lot of fear mongering. I’m cautiously optimistic about DODGE. Elon has said a million times they will no doubt fire/rid of important people or departments and correct those mistakes in time. It’s been like 40 days, let’s see this play out. USFS will see a hiring boom once fire season starts, that’ll be a big wake up call. I’m not musk fan boy but what he’s doing apart from this topic is amazing, like to good to be true. However I dont get the feeling he cares one bit about conservation right now. So we need to remind the admin these values and hopefully a few in the circle like Don Jr speak up.

Lastly, what good is our country if we don’t fix this debt crisis? What good are we if we keep allowing China to buy our land? I’m more afraid of losing world power than anything else. Well, I was, now we seem to be on the mend.

 

[NDGuy]

a few in the circle like Don Jr speak up.

I’d like to think the same, however these people can hunt anywhere in the world whenever they want. Hard to think they’ll care much about the guy humping hills looking for a forky.

 

[NDGuy]

I’m not musk fan boy but what he’s doing apart from this topic is amazing, like to good to be true.

Could you elaborate ? To me it looks like DOGE is taking a sledgehammer to something that needs a scalpel. There’s a way to go about reviewing downsizing/restructuring. I’m not sure that firing everyone and then asking questions after is the right approach. Let alone to orgs supporting infrastructure, national security, financial services, etc.

 

[Poser]

I’d like to think the same, however these people can hunt anywhere in the world whenever they want. Hard to think they’ll care much about the guy humping hills looking for a forky.

Is even remotely aware that guys hump hills to look for forkies?