SeekOutside Little Bug Out in use and why I went with this system.

[AK Troutbum]

My LBO w/3 piece is 35 oz. Add the mini ground hog stakes and CF pole and it's up to 49 oz. Both weights include cordage and I seam seal both sides of the seams.

 

[DaveC]

My LBO w/3 piece is 35 oz. Add the mini ground hog stakes and CF pole and it's up to 49 oz. Both weights include cordage and I seam seal both sides of the seams.

Upon consultation of records I see that my LBO (3 piece) is 26.7 ounces sealed and with stove jack. It's doubtless a bit heavier again since Seek Outside added longer stake loops to accommodate skis and my excessive particularity. Ooops. Never seen the need to use guyline other than for the beak, even in the aforementioned horrid winter storm, which is the benefit of cat cut seams done properly.

Including skate weight isn't very useful for shelter comparison as appropriate selection varies by region and time of year. Also, interested to hear what purpose sealing both sides of the seams serves.

 

[AK Troutbum]

Never seen the need to use guyline other than for the beak, even in the aforementioned horrid winter storm, which is the benefit of cat cut seams done properly.

Including skate weight isn't very useful for shelter comparison as appropriate selection varies by region and time of year. Also, interested to hear what purpose sealing both sides of the seams serves.

I guy everything out and seam sealing both sides is overkill for sure, but it's worth it to me. I got caught in a storm last year in Oct., 2000' above tree line with 60+ mph sustained winds and gusts up to 90mph. The LBO weathered it just fine, but I have to imagine that if I didn't have it guyed out properly, it would have been a different story.

 

[Ironman8]

Wanted to bring this up again with a question about stove use. Been looking at just about every pic and vid out there and am not really sure why you couldn't fit two people, WITH gear, and WITH a stove? I mean the LBO is over 7 feet wide. I'm sure there's got to be something I'm not thinking about, but if you have the sleeping arrangement "long-ways" so that each guy's head is toward first base of the LBO, feet toward the 3pc Vest/2nd Base, with gear between shoulders of the two guys, and stove at the foot area or between the feet of the two guys, what wouldn't work?

If that's hard to visualize, I'll list it another way...
Looking from top down in base/base or base/3pc from L to R:
-1st man near tent wall with head toward one end, feet toward other, zipper of LBO to his right
-Packs/gear at his shoulder/torso area to his left
-Stove at the foot area closest to his left foot
-2nd man on other side with gear to his right shoulder and stove closest to his right foot and zipper of LBO to his left

With the LBO being almost 8 ft wide and over 9.5 ft long in the base/base config (according to SO website), why wouldn't this be possible? I know you'll lose some space near the walls, but is it really that much? With my Exo pack laying next to me right by my shoulder, I take up 36" from pack to outside shoulder. multiply that by 2 with another dude in the tent and that's only 7ft of space...and that's without even trying to make things fit...so what am I missing?

ETA:

OR, if you want the stove more toward the center of the LBO setup, why couldn't each guy sleep on either side of it ("long-ways") with the gear stashed down at the foot area?

 

[rayporter]

i would say the easy way to understand how much room a stove takes up is to build a mock up of the shelter using the dimensions given for it. use sheets or tarps or visqueen - what ever you have laying around and then put a burning stove inside, really light a stove, propane or whatever. imagine letting a sleeping bag touch the stove. imagine a down vest touching the stove when you cook. throw some synthetic fleece around when you have that stove fired up, like when you are trying to put on a jacket. find out your comfort level with a fire. this will also show you if you will sleep with the shelter against your face when you lay down.

 

[HellsCanyon]

Also imagine the condensation you'll have on the entire inside of the shelter first thing in the morning before you fire up the stove. But who wants to take the time to do that when you should be up at out hunting at first light...

 

[RockChucker30]

Ironman, an LBO and 3 piece is doable with two guys plus stove. Less so with cold weather gear.

 

[Ironman8]

Yeah I understand what both of y'all are saying and don't disagree. I just was questioning the statement that there wasn't enough space...especially after looking at the specs and pics...

Truthfully, I'm questioning whether I want to deal with the hassle of a stove at all. This will be for the Idaho Unit 39 rifle hunt (elk) in November. I was advised that temps will be 20's to 30's and a good chance of snow at that time. Like you said HC, I won't be using it in the morning, so that leaves just evening before bed to thaw out and dry out clothes. I don't expect a small stove to keep a burn for more than 15-30 minutes, and I sure as heck won't be waking up every 15 minutes to stock it!...so the point about sleeping next to a burning stove may be moot in my case. I still question the space issue though. If we're awake and mindful of a burning stove while we're winding down for the evening, would that be a different scenario for you guys? Would you say that there's enough "space" for that?

 

[Ironman8]

Ironman, an LBO and 3 piece is doable with two guys plus stove. Less so with cold weather gear.

Thanks RC...I do remember our convo...just finding some dissenting opinions and needed some clarification.

Can you clarify what you mean by "less so with cold weather gear"? The only thing that really changes for me in cold weather is maybe an extra layer and a heavier jacket...and possibly now a stove. I'll be wearing the heavier jacket to bed, so the "space" shouldn't be much different from any other time.

 

[Wrongside]

Ironman, an LBO and 3 piece is doable with two guys plus stove. Less so with cold weather gear.

Yup. Quite nicely doable.

 

[HellsCanyon]

I haven't put two bases together, only two bases with tarp connector and stove as well as a single base plus standard vestibule with stove. The latter was for me and gear/gun in near zero temps. I was comfortable but with clothes/food laid out plus pack plus rifle plus stove plus lots of wood and condensation I was using every bit of space. I don't think it would be bad with two ppl and two bases. 3 piece vestibule would be pushing it for ME and another person.

Honestly if I'm planning any more late season hunts with stove and hunting partner, I'm gonna roll with a Kifaru sawtooth and stove. For the long hours of darkness you have late season, you lounge in camp a lot more and being able to stand up inside a warm shelter is oh so nice. Late season solo hunts? I'll be taking my LBO n Vestibule and deal without the standing room.

Mike

 

[RockChucker30]

Ironman, doable in a shelter is kinda variable. I can live in much less space sleeping next to my wife or a family member than I'm comfortable with sleeping next to a hunting buddy. Ultralighters have a different more minimalistic mindset and their definition of "comfort" will be more spartan than others.

Cold weather means more insulation, and insulation both takes up lots of room and will melt when contacting a hot stove.

So two plus stove is doable in an LBO, in cold weather it's easier to potentially leave some gear outside or to take more care keeping clear space around the stove.

A double base would be marginally easier than a base plus 3 piece for two in late season. A base tarp base is huge for two. You can really do 3-4 easily in that setup.

 

[alukban]

Dang but I need pics of your setups!

 

[Ironman8]

Thanks again RC. I'll be going with the Base/3pc. I guess I should have mentioned that my hunting partner is my bro in law. We won't be playing big spoon little spoon, but we don't mind being somewhat close, so I don't think it should be a problem. I'll also have a small extra tarp for gear outside if necessary. Thanks for the advice and good luck this season!

 

[DaveC]

In my book two folks plus stove plus full winter gear in the LBO and 3 piece vesty is very liveable. Dead easy if both sleep long ways, and very doable with both sleeping short ways if the back person is less than 6 foot.

I'm a backpacker who's never slept in a wall tent, so that's my bias.

 

[fillthefreezer]

LBO really earned its stripes for travis and i in CO the last 10 days. it held admirably in a terrible wind for 4 or 5 days. everything was guyed. with 2-3 rocks stacked on top of each stake or tied to trees.

 

[Jared Lampton]

Anyone have a pic of two people, stove and gear in the base + base or base + 3piece?

 

[blgoode]

How tight are you guys pulling the sides before raising it up in the center?

 

[fillthefreezer]

i pull a tight square. i have 8-10in of cord tied on each corner, with a tautline hitch so i can make height adjustments throughout the pitch.

 

[blgoode]

Good idea on the cordage