Seekins opinions?

[wildernessrimfab]

Havak Element 7PRC owner here. Love the gun. Will buy another.
The action definitely smooths out.

I may be on an island here...but how "smooth" a bolt feels has zero impact on POI, accuracy, consistency, or terminal performance. Id rather have a rifle that gets the job done on the first shot than an inaccurate rifle with a glass smooth bolt for racking that 2nd round.

 

[NSI]

Havak Element 7PRC owner here. Love the gun. Will buy another.
The action definitely smooths out.

I may be on an island here...but how "smooth" a bolt feels has zero impact on POI, accuracy, consistency, or terminal performance. Id rather have a rifle that gets the job done on the first shot than an inaccurate rifle with a glass smooth bolt for racking that 2nd round.

Field rifles must be capable of rapid follow-up shots. The bolt binding I have experienced on multiple gen-2 Seekins has been egregious enough that I feel it encroaches on usability for this application. In addition to delaying follow-up shots, bolt binding causes users to induce malfunctions such as double feeds by retracting the bolt during the cycle to un-stick it. I am hopeful that the gen-3 bolts will be dramatically easier to run fast and hard. The HIT interests me as a toy. Sadly Seekins continues to use the r700 trigger design so I won't be a customer for field use in any event.

-J

 

[Cosmono]

I like them and have had a to chance handling one. I have thought about getting one myself just have a few im choosing between

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Field rifles must be capable of rapid follow-up shots. The bolt binding I have experienced on multiple gen-2 Seekins has been egregious enough that I feel it encroaches on usability for this application. In addition to delaying follow-up shots, bolt binding causes users to induce malfunctions such as double feeds by retracting the bolt during the cycle to un-stick it. I am hopeful that the gen-3 bolts will be dramatically easier to run fast and hard. The HIT interests me as a toy. Sadly Seekins continues to use the r700 trigger design so I won't be a customer for field use in any event.

-J

If this is such an issue to you, it’s likely your skill level and not the rifle. I do t consider myself to be an excellent shooter by any means, fairly average really but in the thousand rounds I’ve put through my Seekins I’ve never experienced a single issue like you are describing due to bolt “binding”.

 

[wildernessrimfab]

Field rifles must be capable of rapid follow-up shots. The bolt binding I have experienced on multiple gen-2 Seekins has been egregious enough that I feel it encroaches on usability for this application.

@NSI Fair enough based on your experience.
Lots of my friends run different Seekins rifles (PH1/PH2/Element/HIT), no one ever complains about or mentions the bolt sticking. This seems to be a gun store/internet forum phenomenon that goes away with use. We all have targets with tight groups and meat in the freezer.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Havak Element 7PRC owner here. Love the gun. Will buy another.
The action definitely smooths out.

I may be on an island here...but how "smooth" a bolt feels has zero impact on POI, accuracy, consistency, or terminal performance. Id rather have a rifle that gets the job done on the first shot than an inaccurate rifle with a glass smooth bolt for racking that 2nd round.

I’m with you on that, my Seekins isn’t my favorite rifle by any means but you are correct, not only do the bolts smooth out but it dosent really seem like an issue to begin with.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

@NSI Fair enough based on your experience.
Lots of my friends run different Seekins rifles (PH1/PH2/Element/HIT), no one ever complains about or mentions the bolt sticking. This seems to be a gun store/internet forum phenomenon that goes away with use. We all have targets with tight groups and meat in the freezer.

That’s exactly what it is. People on the internet complaining just to complain. If you don’t want a Seekins rifle, fine. Why make stuff up though. I don’t get it.

If the bolt on a Seekins rifles causes you to have problems like double feeding etc to a point t you don’t find it usable, you likely don’t have the skill you think you do.

 

[PKR]

My ph2 NRL in 6.5 has been good so far. Have about 350 rounds down it. Bolt runs just fine and smoothed out after 100 rounds or so. Groups good but I haven’t really tried on grouping and just been shooting aac ammo for practice. More or less picked it up to get into NRL hunter and improve myself as a shooter.

The stock has taken a bit to get used to and figure out how to grip and shoulder it. I added some spacers to increase LOP, having a rather long wing span I needed to.

Funny you post this because I’ve been looking a the new elements today. Going back and forth between an element, changing up my laminet 308 tikka with a new stock (its being cut right now to 18”) or picking up another tikka in lite.

 

[Avonac]

I’ve had 4 Seekins rifles. Two PH2’s, one Hit and I currently have an Element. The bolt is different. Not bad, just different. All of mine have shot extremely well and have had zero issues. For a factory semi custom gun they are hard to beat. Also, if you need customer service they are beyond helpful.
My Element is listed for sale on here. Not because I don’t like it, I just don’t keep guns long before I get bored and want to try something different. The accuracy gap between all of my Seekins and full customs that I have owned is pretty small.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I’ve had 4 Seekins rifles. Two PH2’s, one Hit and I currently have an Element. The bolt is different. Not bad, just different. All of mine have shot extremely well and have had zero issues. For a factory semi custom gun they are hard to beat. Also, if you need customer service they are beyond helpful.
My Element is listed for sale on here. Not because I don’t like it, I just don’t keep guns long before I get bored and want to try something different. The accuracy gap between all of my Seekins and full customs that I have owned is pretty small.

I was trying to get rid of my Seekins for awhile but decided to just hold onto it and shoot the heck out of it. It’s started to grow on me. It is super accurate with pretty much anything I shoot out of it. The bolt has never cause a single issue for me either, pretty sure that’s just a complaint from people who don’t have one.

This is rokslide though, just a few days ago I saw a guy claim somebodies belt was too heavy….not only did he say the belt was too heavy, he was able to provide examples of belts that weighed less…I’ve never even considered weighing my belt. Lots of people here tend to over analyze things rather than getting out and shooting and hiking.