Just got off the phone with them after speaking with them on and off for the last 8 months. I ended up ordering the beartooth II's, though I really liked the Teton's and the Pros. Talking to Kurt and Tanner, the reason I went with the Beartooths is that on their 4 step rating system for stiffness, it's a 2. Their Granites II's are a 3...which they tell me are about what Lowa's are, which BTW they also sell at Schnees, so they have some experience with that boot. The Pros, which I really liked, and the Tetons are 4's or 4 plus. Tanner said they are super stiff, made for the most extreme conditions. They do not bend. As my use is for general Elk hunting and other use in Texas, the Beartooth II's were recommended as the way to go for me. But if you were only in colder weather, could probably get Granite II's. But according to them, if you are looking for an uber stiff boot...the pros and the tetons should do the trick.