Rokstok Lite

[Q_Sertorius]

no request yet, Form and I have been kicking ideas around and I intend to try one on my Hawkin and TC Omega when I get time.

Sight height is they key. I set up a Tikka with Ghemann sights for Form last year and it will hold MOA as far as we've shot it. I've shot it for groups @ 100, 200 and 300 and a big rock @ 500 something.
Form may have shot it further by now.

I don't think anything is lost on a muzzleloader. recoil control is follow through. Back when i was trying for extreme (peep sight) accuracy, i was setting the gun up for recoil control like it was a Rokstok and i got pretty good with it. looking back, had it actually been a Rokstok, it would have been easier and more enjoyable.
Plus, most muzzleloader stocks kick the snot out of the shooter and just aren't that much fun to shoot for hours. I get tired of getting punched in the cheek real quick.

Do a Google search on old Danish muskets. parallel and even a few negative comb guns have been around a LONG time.

Yes, there are many “old style stocks” that have “modern” shapes. Some of the old Middle Eastern or Indian musket stocks are in the negative comb realm.

 

[HighUintas]

no request yet, Form and I have been kicking ideas around and I intend to try one on my Hawkin and TC Omega when I get time.

Sight height is they key. I set up a Tikka with Ghemann sights for Form last year and it will hold MOA as far as we've shot it. I've shot it for groups @ 100, 200 and 300 and a big rock @ 500 something.
Form may have shot it further by now.

I don't think anything is lost on a muzzleloader. recoil control is follow through. Back when i was trying for extreme (peep sight) accuracy, i was setting the gun up for recoil control like it was a Rokstok and i got pretty good with it. looking back, had it actually been a Rokstok, it would have been easier and more enjoyable.
Plus, most muzzleloader stocks kick the snot out of the shooter and just aren't that much fun to shoot for hours. I get tired of getting punched in the cheek real quick.

Do a Google search on old Danish muskets. parallel and even a few negative comb guns have been around a LONG time.

That's true on the rokstock recoil control likely increasing ability to shoot accurately from different positions with higher recoil. I didn't think about that. I was mainly thinking about shot spotting and quick follow up shots.

In that case, I think an Alexander Henry design muzzy with a rokstock would be the cats ass, although yes a Gehmann would be a big improvement on the peep. A heavy paper patched 45 would be killer and I bet would hold easily MOA as far as you can see/aim.

I'm currently working on building a highly custom early J&S Hawken for round balls.... But this has my wheels turning now haha. Damn

 

[longrangelead]

That's true on the rokstock recoil control likely increasing ability to shoot accurately from different positions with higher recoil. I didn't think about that. I was mainly thinking about shot spotting and quick follow up shots.

In that case, I think an Alexander Henry design muzzy with a rokstock would be the cats ass, although yes a Gehmann would be a big improvement on the peep. A heavy paper patched 45 would be killer and I bet would hold easily MOA as far as you can see/aim.

I'm currently working on building a highly custom early J&S Hawken for round balls.... But this has my wheels turning now haha. Damn

Nice.
so I've been plotting a paper patch bullet Gibbs in a Rokstok-ish style for a legitimate 500 yd peep gun that fits the Montana heritage season.

 

[longrangelead]

@longrangelead has anyone requested a rokstock from you inlet for a traditional percussion lock muzzleloader yet? I would think you'd get one eventually. However I think much of the benefit the rokstock design brings is lost when it's not a repeater and uses iron sights.

After thinking about this more, I can add to my previous reply.

With the same muzzleloader, TC Omega I was playing with for extreme accuracy, I decided to bed it and free float the barrel.
I don't recall what it shot like before but, it wasn't terrible. I just remember after floating the barrel the POI was 12"-18" right. didn't touch the sights, stress free bedding, added brass escutcheons/pillars while bedding. by all rights, it should be stacking holes. The only thing I could come up with was barrel whip.

I bedded the barrel for the last 2" of forend. BOOM! Nearly stacking holes!

So I believe the dwell time from ignition to bullet leaves the muzzle is long enough recoil control is definitely something to consider.

Looking at the one target I keep from that project, hits look like a WEZ image, wider than tall.

 

[HighUintas]

After thinking about this more, I can add to my previous reply.

With the same muzzleloader, TC Omega I was playing with for extreme accuracy, I decided to bed it and free float the barrel.
I don't recall what it shot like before but, it wasn't terrible. I just remember after floating the barrel the POI was 12"-18" right. didn't touch the sights, stress free bedding, added brass escutcheons/pillars while bedding. by all rights, it should be stacking holes. The only thing I could come up with was barrel whip.

I bedded the barrel for the last 2" of forend. BOOM! Nearly stacking holes!

So I believe the dwell time from ignition to bullet leaves the muzzle is long enough recoil control is definitely something to consider.

Looking at the one target I keep from that project, hits look like a WEZ image, wider than tall.

Controlling recoil until bullet leaves muzzle has to be a factor I would think, certainly we with the longer 32" barrels. 1300fps at the muzzle of a 32" barrel would mean a real long dwell time compared to 2800fps from a 22".

All those long range muzzleloaders from the late percussion period had bedded foreends.... I guess the free floating concept probably didn't exist back then but the foreend was short enough and barrel stout enough I wouldn't think that there would be much if any influence from the stock with weather changes. With the hooked breech and barrel key system there shouldn't be any stress if out together correctly.

I'd be concerned with the wrist strength in a rokstock when building a Gibbs/Henry style rifle considering the huge amount of wood removed for the trigger, lock, trigger guard and tang. It probably wouldn't be an issue with recoil, but much more prone to breakage with falls