Remington’s Woes Continue

[sierracharlie338]

It was the Sandy Hook lawsuit that was the nail in the coffin for the old Remington.

Thank you. Came here to say that and not the trigger debacle.

I love the 700 platform despite its flaws. I was hoping to see what a new version would look like. Sad, another part of American firearm history disappearing.

 

[Weldor]

I have not owned vary many , but the 700's in 308 all shot good after a little work. The only Rem shotgun was model 48. With all the modern machining methods, can't understand why they did not move out long ago. Seen a propaganda advertisement about they could not move because they could not get talent down south??

 

[Unclecroc]

I want to see Remington win but they don’t seem to want to win.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

It was the Sandy Hook lawsuit that was the nail in the coffin for the old Remington.

Agreed but they were already producing crap product by '22.
I dont think anybody knows what the trigger lawsuit cost them...what was it like 7.5 million guns were included in the class action lawsuit? The class action lawsuit didn't limit personal claims or wrongful death lawsuits. IIRC they still were defending wrongful death lawsuits when the Sandy Hook lawsuit came thru.
A bunch of those wrongful death suits were confidential settlements so who knows what they spent on those.

 

[Kyguy]

I want to see Remington win but they don’t seem to want to win.

At this point, it's totally mismanagement that's issue. This is what I said about it on campfire.

Remington/RemArms is its own worst enemy. I've had three GA production rifles... one 700 SPS .223 1-8, and two 783 .223 rifles, 1-9. All three shot very well, I did sell the 783 HB (not really a heavy barrel at .750). I've got a custom X-Caliber 1-7 .223 Wylde sporter barrel on order for the other 783 just to handle the heavy bullets. The 783s' are a bargain for doing your own barrels, IMO, and they have an easily swappable bolt on trigger group too. The bolt lift is also better than most Savage's I've played with. Aftermarket stocks are the weak point for the 783.

I think price point it what was killing them on the 700's. For $700-$800, on an SPS blued rifle (even the ADL too), you're getting a plastic stock and that rough ass "matte" finish with what I call fake jeweling on the bolt. I didn't pay that much for my SPS, I think it was just over $600 shipped, but I'm not sure I'd pay more than that for it. No issues with function or accuracy, but damn, you can get a Vanguard Obsidian with a much better blued finish, great overall fit and finish, with a plastic stock for $500. $800+ in the Vanguard or Howa rifles gets you well out of the basic entry gun. The blued 783 .223 barreled action I bought is a better finish than what's on the SPS.

The Alpha 1 should be a killer deal in the $1600 range, given its specs, but I think people are too leery at this point to pony up for them.

RemArms is just too far behind in everything to recover at this point, given all of the financial issues, unless someone else buys them and takes control. It's kind of telling that Beretta is interested in Ruger and not in Remington.

 

[pathnz]

I load for a mate with a new production 700 .223 and it's very precise for a factory rifle; almost everything shot through it results in sub 0.3MRAD groups for 10rd

It's a shame the company is in trouble.

I build all my rifles on R700 actions these days cos I keep an eye out for old cheap complete guns and part them out which results in free or very cheap actions - last one cost me $80

 

[RWH80]

So, my experience was far different.

My dad bought me a used lefty 870 back in the late 1980s and as much abuse as I put that weapon through, it has NEVER failed never jammed, never so much as bobbled a round and given the "zombie apocalypse" scenario would be the long gun I reach for to this day some 40 years later. It's still as buttery smooth as it was when I used to 'race' autoloaders with it.

I bought my son a lefty 870 express or whatever in the early 2010s, and that gun is a giant turd.

I also have a LH Wingmaster from the 80s. My first shotgun dad got used at LGS. I love that gun.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Looks like I need to buy a couple new 870 20ga Compacts before it’s too late.

 

[jayhawk]

I’ve seen it happen several times with other companies. The company gets in some kind of trouble, finanacial or otherwise, and they hand the keys over to the financial time and legal department. When that happens, quality goes through the floor, customer service fails, and everything just kind of starts to come apart.
It usually leads to the end of the company in several years