Thanks for the replies. I think I should have been more specific in my original post. I have a good layering system but I just need a better outer layer that is quiet. It seems most quiet outer layers are made for the whitetail community that stand hunt and the jackets are really heavy. I have a lot of Kuiu and first lite next to skin and mid layer wool and synthetic, Kuiu peloton 240 hoody. Fleece and down vests, Kuiu Kenai jacket and various down puffy jackets. I am just looking for a warm and quiet outer layer for bowhunting in December and January that is quiet and warm and not heavy because I backpack and spend several days on the mountain and sometimes pack in and sit a waterhole and camp nearby for several days. I have a lot of weight coming out with my backpacking gear and boned out deer and just looking to keep things as light as possible. And I will add living in Arizona I am a wimp when it comes to cold weather. It can be in the 20's and 30's with high winds where I hunt and that may not be cold to most of you but when you are used to temps in the 100-115 in the summer it feels cold sitting and glassing for hours or in the ground blind from sunrise to dark. Thanks