Rebecca Francis kills Giraffe - Antis all worked up

[Bulldawg]

Maybe its a personal thing, but their are no hard and fast rules to how the "list" is formulated. maybe because I am a continent removed I have never had a desire to pursue giraffe or elephants for that matter.

And since you don't have a desire to hunt them nobody should be allowed to? I'm confused by this.

 

[Trial153]

I am not getting worked up over stupid people....seems to be a lot of them on FB.

Right or not when you post on that cesspool you have to expect this kind of thing.
I don't think a pity party is in order.

 

[Wasatchbuck]

And since you don't have a desire to hunt them nobody should be allowed to? I'm confused by this.

Never said you cant hunt them, hell if you have the money you can pretty much shoot anything you want...if that's your prerogative. What I said is just cause we can doesn't mean we should. I mean a giraffe....really. Dont much see the sport in that, but then again I dont see the sport in shooting a cougar our of tree either. Maybe I am wired different.

 

[5MilesBack]

What I said is just cause we can doesn't mean we should.

That could apply to deer or elk or moose or any other animal if you really want to go that route. "Should" is subjective to whomever is holding the weapon. Just because I "can" step on that mouse, "should" I? IMO......absolutely! Now.......just because "you" can step on that mouse, should "you"? I don't know.......you should decide for yourself, and no one else.

 

[TJ]

Never said you cant hunt them, hell if you have the money you can pretty much shoot anything you want...if that's your prerogative. What I said is just cause we can doesn't mean we should. I mean a giraffe....really. Dont much see the sport in that, but then again I dont see the sport in shooting a cougar our of tree either. Maybe I am wired different.

Is there a difference between shooting a cougar out of a tree and shooting one on the ground?
Not your thing then don't do it.

I am not dog person but living in Oregon and seeing the results of ignorant voters making wildlife management rules sucks, period.

 

[7mag.]

As hunters we all need to stick together. Just because someone uses a different method than you do, or hunts animals that you don't, doesn't mean we should criticize them. We are ultimately all on the same team, and there is enough negativity from anti's, we don't need it from our own ranks.

 

[dotman]

Oh well too bad for her, really could careless after what she was a part of here early on.

 

[gmajor]

Agree with pete that ignorance is non-partisan. We have to be wary of correlating "liberals" or "conservatives" with stances on hunting. See: (1) social media backlash in this case and (2) public-land transfer...we take it from both sides.

That said, I am in the camp that says we need to be more astute regarding our public relations. Grip and grins just don't play well to the public. We're killing things here, and while months of hard work, a deep understanding of wildlife biology, and the somberness that comes with taking a beautiful animal's life (despite our happiness at harvesting the meat, etc) underscores what we do, none of this is evident in (many) pictures.

 

[Shrek]

Oh well too bad for her, really could careless after what she was a part of here early on.

Yep !

 

[Backpack Hunter]

Oh well too bad for her, really could careless after what she was a part of here early on.

What was she a part of?

 

[Shrek]

She was part of this site in the beginning but parted ways...

 

[tipsntails7]

Never said you cant hunt them, hell if you have the money you can pretty much shoot anything you want...if that's your prerogative. What I said is just cause we can doesn't mean we should. I mean a giraffe....really. Dont much see the sport in that, but then again I dont see the sport in shooting a cougar our of tree either. Maybe I am wired different.

You clearly have never been hound hunting. Physically it's one of the hardest hunts a person can go on.

As far as the giraffe thing I'm not to concerned, I personally do not like people who pose like jackasses with the animal they kill, that's just me. These days if you put something on the Internet someone will be offended by it and say something they would never say to another person in the flesh.

 

[Shrek]

Radio promo around here says " people who are offended by everything ,AKA , the worst people in the world ".

 

[Mike21]

Agree with pete that ignorance is non-partisan. We have to be wary of correlating "liberals" or "conservatives" with stances on hunting. See: (1) social media backlash in this case and (2) public-land transfer...we take it from both sides.

That said, I am in the camp that says we need to be more astute regarding our public relations. Grip and grins just don't play well to the public.

Should we hide the guns we use to hunt with as well? Because they don't "play well" for the liberal public?

 

[Backpack Hunter]

She was part of this site in the beginning but parted ways...

I'm assuming it was not a pleasant parting then?
I'd like to know what happened. Anyone with truthful info feel free to pm me so as not to derail this thread further.

 

[gmajor]

Should we hide the guns we use to hunt with as well? Because they don't "play well" for the liberal public?

Entirely irrelevant to my point, I made no mention of weapons whatsoever and backlash to photos of weapons is categorically different than to photos of our kills. There is no weapon in Ms. Francis' photo, for example.

Reiterating the point I was actually making - she chose to post her picture of posing next to the giraffe like that. It's legal, and her right. I would never choose to post a picture like that, because I know it can negatively influence non-hunters opinions of hunters. It's not hard to come away with a negative, if ill-informed, opinion of hunters after viewing that. Complain all you want, disagree with how I choose to use social media all you want. But, our pursuit is often politicized by forces that don't understand the ecological validity of it, etc, and I for one want as much hunter opportunity and access to remain as possible. I'll refrain from posting pictures to public platforms that can serve as bad PR for hunting. (I will cede that I should have said "some grip-and-grins don't play well", I think we know which those are when we see them)

I'd say this is fairly relevant (from Ryan Hatfield of Western Hunter Magazine, published on Backcountry Hunters and Anglers' blog): https://www.backcountryhunters.org/...say-is-often-held-against-you?hc_location=ufi

 

[dotman]

I'm assuming it was not a pleasant parting then?
I'd like to know what happened. Anyone with truthful info feel free to pm me so as not to derail this thread further.

Just my personal opinion so not going to open that can back up, just say I have the same respect for David Long, not a fan of either.

 

[Mike21]

Entirely irrelevant to my point, I made no mention of weapons whatsoever and backlash to photos of weapons is categorically different than to photos of our kills. There is no weapon in Ms. Francis' photo, for example.

Reiterating the point I was actually making - she chose to post her picture of posing next to the giraffe like that. It's legal, and her right. I would never choose to post a picture like that, because I know it can negatively
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Totally relevant actually. You made mention of things that may disturb non hunters and hipster hunters, like pictures of dead animals. Guns also upset the anti hunter and hipster. One mans giraffe is another mans mule deer ...

How bout we tell the antis to kick rocks, and post pics of wtf we want? No apologies

 

[gmajor]

Totally relevant actually. You made mention of things that may disturb non hunters and hipster hunters, like pictures of dead animals. Guns also upset the anti hunter and hipster. One mans giraffe is another mans mule deer ...

How bout we tell the antis to kick rocks, and post pics of wtf we want? No apologies

To each his own. I suppose I don't think of that as a viable long term strategy to maintain hunter access and opportunity, but maybe we value PR and public perception differently. Good luck out there, happy hunting buddy

 

[lintond]

I think you have to be mindful of what goes to the public and be prepared for some backlash depending on the animal. I would say the general public accepts hunting deer, elk etc... because it happens quite often. However a giraffe isn't something you hear about and it can be inferred that they shouldn't be hunted. I'm not surprised she got some negative press.