Quick way to add 25 grains Black Eagle Rampage

[Coveyleader]

I have some BE rampage arrows that I have built, and have tuned to shooting 125 grain heads that are flying great. I have some other BHs I want to shoot that are 100grains, and my testing has shown I'm hitting a little high, and slightly right at 20 yds. I can shoot 125s all day with 3-4 different heads and they are dead on.

So, is there any solid options I can use and simply add 25 grains behind the BH? The inserts I have installed are the half outs that come with the BE rampage shafts.

I have some arrows that aren't built yet and I suppose I could build some, but I'd rather not. Weighing the inserts I'm using (halfouts) I see they are 50 grains, and I'd need another 25 to add. Any recommendations if I go that route?

 

[Mighty Mouse]

Add a 30 gr weight screw behind the half-out (and ignore the 5 gr difference).

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[Coveyleader]

I saw those, but WTH with the 30 grains? Why not 25 grain options?

So I'd need to rebuild or pull the existing inserts and screw these in correct?

 

[Billy Goat]

At least one company makes a threaded kinda halfout that is 25 grs. Not ideal, I don't remember if the back of the BE SS inserts actually take weight screws or not, I think the Focus system does.

I can shoot 100's and 125's usually with the same tune, just need to add a yard starting at 40.

The weighted insert screws are installed with a long Allen tool, just pull your nock.



Threaded weight adapter:

Innerloc Broadhead Weight Adapter

Newly designed weight adapters offer a simple screw in solution for those interested in modifying the weight of their hunting arrows Available in 25 and 50 grain sizes Increases F.O.C. Popular for crossbows Increases arrow length by 1/2 inch Sold in a 3 pack

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[Mighty Mouse]

I saw those, but WTH with the 30 grains? Why not 25 grain options?

So I'd need to rebuild or pull the existing inserts and screw these in correct?

BE sells a special wrench to install the weight screws. Remove the nock, slide the weight screw in, and use the extra long hex wrench to tighten it.

I'm also bewildered by the 30 gr option...25 gr would be more logical. Gold Tip also makes weight screws, but I'm not sure if the thread pattern on a GT screw would match the threads on a BE half-out.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

Why are you not just using Brass HIT inserts with those arrows? They don't bend as easy as the half outs, and keep runout down. They also come in 50/75 grain options, and if you use the Kimsha hot melt, you can swap out as needed.

 

[wyodog]

You can add 20 grain insert weights from the nock end with a long hex wrench, available on line. i believe all insert weights are the same thread patterns as a field tip as they a tapped all the way through the insert. the long hex wrenches are available online.

 

[Coveyleader]

Why are you not just using Brass HIT inserts with those arrows? They don't bend as easy as the half outs, and keep runout down. They also come in 50/75 grain options, and if you use the Kimsha hot melt, you can swap out as needed.

I’m old school, don’t tinker much. Do you have a link?

I ordered weights but would prefer being spot on not 5 grains off.

Thanks!

 

[Billy Goat]

At least one company makes a threaded kinda halfout that is 25 grs. Not ideal, I don't remember if the back of the BE SS inserts actually take weight screws or not, I think the Focus system does.

I can shoot 100's and 125's usually with the same tune, just need to add a yard starting at 40.

The weighted insert screws are installed with a long Allen tool, just pull your nock.



Threaded weight adapter:

Innerloc Broadhead Weight Adapter

Newly designed weight adapters offer a simple screw in solution for those interested in modifying the weight of their hunting arrows Available in 25 and 50 grain sizes Increases F.O.C. Popular for crossbows Increases arrow length by 1/2 inch Sold in a 3 pack

lancasterarchery.com

This is what happens when you have CRS, the SS BE halfouts will take a weight screw.



So get the $12 tool and you can add weight to your halfout for the 100gr points.

 

[Billy Goat]

I’m old school, don’t tinker much. Do you have a link?

I ordered weights but would prefer being spot on not 5 grains off.

Thanks!

Honestly 5grs won't matter, on top of that, I'd rather be 10 grs heavier in point weight with a target point over a BH for the difference in speed at distance. I have been playing a bit with different BH's at distance with the labradar and it's surprising how much even a mech slows past 50 yards compared to a fp.

 

[CJ_BG]

I’m old school, don’t tinker much. Do you have a link?

I ordered weights but would prefer being spot on not 5 grains off.

Thanks!

You likely have more than 5gr of variance just in your dozen or however many arrows. The 5gr difference in your inserts is not going to change anything. I can go out right now and throw on a lighted nock that's 19 grains heavier than my regular nocks and not see a difference out to 50-60yds.

 

[Coveyleader]

I’m only shooting 20, but the 100 grain expandibles are hitting in the same hole after each shot high and right but a couple inches. My 125s are spot on, no matter what BH in-use. I think I’m borderline on my spine and that 25 grains is just enough to cause the variance.

 

[Billy Goat]

I’m only shooting 20, but the 100 grain expandibles are hitting in the same hole after each shot high and right but a couple inches. My 125s are spot on, no matter what BH in-use. I think I’m borderline on my spine and that 25 grains is just enough to cause the variance.

So you think a stiff spine is pushing you high right?


20 yards you can't detect 25 grs, unless you are in the upper .5% of shooters.


I'm not doubting what you are seeing, but I wonder if you are blaming it on something that it isn't.

Are you shooting different shafts with different heads?

Today I had an arrow that kept falling out with a broadhead, then noticed the nock fit was a bit off. It had me chasing my tail for a bit til I noticed it.


Again, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, but get a large enough sample size you know it's happening. Change heads on arrows, rotate nocks to a different position.


I like stiff for consistency.

 

[Coveyleader]

So you think a stiff spine is pushing you high right?


20 yards you can't detect 25 grs, unless you are in the upper .5% of shooters.


I'm not doubting what you are seeing, but I wonder if you are blaming it on something that it isn't.

Are you shooting different shafts with different heads?

Today I had an arrow that kept falling out with a broadhead, then noticed the nock fit was a bit off. It had me chasing my tail for a bit til I noticed it.


Again, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, but get a large enough sample size you know it's happening. Change heads on arrows, rotate nocks to a different position.


I like stiff for consistency.

I hear you, but at this point I have not missed the circle with multiple 125 grain heads, not once, but the Trypans hit right by an inch or so. I mean in the same hole. I haven’t tried different arrows, but this is my go to arrow the whole quiver is a reflection of it.

We shall see, but at this point, I’ll stick with what I have if Incant get the Trypan to shoot same POi

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

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[5MilesBack]

I'd stick with what you have and forget about the Trypans.

 

[Coveyleader]

I'd stick with what you have and forget about the Trypans.

Any particular reason? I know you like the spitfires, but I'm afraid about not getting an exit, but man, they fly great.

 

[doc holiday13]

Bass 8-32 screw without a headwill work. Probably .75" long

 

[roosiebull]

I saw those, but WTH with the 30 grains? Why not 25 grain options?

So I'd need to rebuild or pull the existing inserts and screw these in correct?

It’s fine, you will never see the difference with 5 extra grains, if you can, you should be paid well for shooting your bow

 

[roosiebull]

At least one company makes a threaded kinda halfout that is 25 grs. Not ideal, I don't remember if the back of the BE SS inserts actually take weight screws or not, I think the Focus system does.

I can shoot 100's and 125's usually with the same tune, just need to add a yard starting at 40.

The weighted insert screws are installed with a long Allen tool, just pull your nock.



Threaded weight adapter:

Innerloc Broadhead Weight Adapter

Newly designed weight adapters offer a simple screw in solution for those interested in modifying the weight of their hunting arrows Available in 25 and 50 grain sizes Increases F.O.C. Popular for crossbows Increases arrow length by 1/2 inch Sold in a 3 pack

lancasterarchery.com

Kudu also makes them, but I don’t like the concept, it’s another spot to lose concentricity and puts more leverage to bend or break the half out through the side of the shaft, and half outs are already prone to that… but it is an option