Questions about the irrelevance of energy (ft-lbs)
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Stinky Coyote
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Lmao, feeling is mutual. I stop then then here comes two more pages of the same subjective horsesh1t about results of work and we get not a single mm further ahead.
Stinky Coyote
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Lmao, feeling is mutual. I stop then then here comes two more pages of the same subjective horsesh1t about results of work and we get not a single mm further ahead.
Not sure how I did that...jeez you got a big puzzy
Not sure how I did that...jeez you got a big puzzy
Pickettpuncher
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All because you can’t back up what you say. Prove that you can show the differences. You can’t. It’s ok. Most of us know it already. Time to move on.
Ah yes, there it is!! When you cant back up or substantiate any of your ridiculous claims, you resort to personal insults....classic keyboard warrior tactic!!!
Stinky Coyote
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Bro I’ve forgotten more shit than I can remember, stuff I’ve done r seen others do, but here’s one I have seen, 55gr vmax or bt .243 at 3900 and sub 100 yard impact that took whitetail buck shoulder and limped off, never found, no blood, no exposed burger, snow...went across a lot open to get to next patch of willows. Think Forms 300 wm matches that close enough? Where’s the hamburger? Would it work behind shoulder or in head? Probably. But we’d sure know a lot more than ‘probably’ if we put numbers to the pretty pictures.
Maybe the formula requires a whole lot less fps to keep enough sd to get deep enough? But no energy curve it’s all just subjective interpretation and takes away from the point of this thread and or moving forward as now every guy will chime in with his two cents. Like we always do lol.
Anyway there’s hundreds of threads and photos that go with everyone’s interpretation but what I’m saying is that whitetail was short on sd for that construction and velocity and needed a bunch more ft/lbs per inch to finish the job or a bunch less! How the fack would we know? Results of death, shades of death. Who cares? It’s just some half ass interpretation. How do we make it into numbers so we can cook with gas. But I think it helps explain that most are not gonna see the same damage from a 100 ft/lb inch 6mm vs a 240 ft/lb per inch 30 cal in similar constructions. But we have no way to say more except pictures and horsesh1t.
Why we gotta continue to come up with example after example of the same facking argument? Lmao...pure madness. Start thinking...
Maybe the formula requires a whole lot less fps to keep enough sd to get deep enough? But no energy curve it’s all just subjective interpretation and takes away from the point of this thread and or moving forward as now every guy will chime in with his two cents. Like we always do lol.
Anyway there’s hundreds of threads and photos that go with everyone’s interpretation but what I’m saying is that whitetail was short on sd for that construction and velocity and needed a bunch more ft/lbs per inch to finish the job or a bunch less! How the fack would we know? Results of death, shades of death. Who cares? It’s just some half ass interpretation. How do we make it into numbers so we can cook with gas. But I think it helps explain that most are not gonna see the same damage from a 100 ft/lb inch 6mm vs a 240 ft/lb per inch 30 cal in similar constructions. But we have no way to say more except pictures and horsesh1t.
Why we gotta continue to come up with example after example of the same facking argument? Lmao...pure madness. Start thinking...
I believe that
Stinky Coyote
WKR
So what’s the problem? We sure aren’t looking at it.
I have shown a path forward, it may be thee path?, I challenge all comers to show another path. Look forward to that and the fall lol.
Otherwise we carry on as usual and never get a mm ahead. Because we have no other choice.
Bullet construction is what decides how energy is applied. Without energy there would be nothing to apply. Without mass you have nothing.
Bullet construction decides how energy is going to be applied. In your pictures it is obvious that the more energy the greater the damage.
This is appropriate, because all you are doing is talking and not solving anything. All youve done is talk!! People ask you to solve something and you dont/cant!!!! Talk, talk, talk.
The 6mm is objectively the best performing round in that testing across the listed metrics. The 168 gr ELDM at that velocity doesn't have the penetration for that hard quartering away shot on an elk.
Stinky Coyote
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Watched it, I was in the glass, then we both watched it tripod a long ass ways. And the tried to trail it. Right in the middle of the dam shoulder. We can envision the baseball or softball at best it did.
Stinky Coyote
WKR
Lol, you don’t get it do you...you’re all the guys around the table going blah blah blah. But of course you’d think it was the other way around. And here comes two more pages of blah blah blah. Zero progress to be made.
Stinky Coyote
WKR
Let’s count the ways that this doesn’t matter one little bit. And lmao of at ‘objectively’...that’s friggin hilarious.
Comparing two shades fo death of known performers. And animal dies both times. While one guy says the one that went further was the better choice. Didn’t replicate it with the other but talks about it as if it isn’t as good of option when in reality the 168 may have flattened the deer and the 108 may have been a 30 yard runner. Like what the actual fack. Who give a fack?
We need to stop doing this, someone sure got a hard on for his little pet bullet. I got all kinds of pics like that too from slow ass Grendel and 123 eldm and hard quartering 2nd last rib and under hide in front of brisket at 200 yards etc and go on and on, a 420 yard quartering whitetail at 1700 fps impact and in the front and out the rib cage after 15” of swimming. Slow it down and it holds more sd then does what? Penetrates, oblongs the energy transfer. Speed it up and compresses the work curve more.
But it’s all blah blah blah words. Until we curve our bullets and all useful velocity ranges that is all we can do is run our silky mouths.
What good does that pic do? Not a single facking thing do we solve by looking at another result of death and blab about it.
And what the fack are you talking about the 168 doesn’t penetrate? I shot my big ole cow moose at 275 three times this fall broadside launching 2592 fps. Didn’t recover one. Through the lungs two steps, then through the shoulders knocked her down, then through the spine when she tried to get up one last time. Happened quick. Moderate velocities are magic with eldm’s at .25 sd. My 200 yard antelope sure didn’t slow it down nor a 175 yard whitetail that went 15 yards. While the same season my whitetail went 15 yards with the 168 we had 5 Grendel kills to 250 on deer and antelope that all drt’d so the 308 might be better match for the bigger bodies lol.
But without doing what I say needs doing we waste our time telling the story if attempting to argue about it’s effectiveness compared to another option. We need data if we’re gonna do that. Work data not result of work data. We pulled the trailer, yay, what engine pulled the trailer and what was its work curve? How fast did it pull the trailer?
The more you respond, the more sense your screen name makes.
Stinky Coyote
WKR
You guys love it, addicted to drama, what else you could be doing but here you are. Just admit It and say thankyou for the late winter entertainment. Prolly be thinking about me in your sleep lol
Best performing how exactly?
Correction it was Mass, velocity and bullet construction. Without the first two bullet construction would have meant nothing.
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