Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[Gila]

I'd prefer public land that I can't hunt over private land that I can't hunt.

I have always been a proponent of hunting, fishing, trapping opportunity. Thus I will always push for the best habitat management for all wildlife. We need the Federal Agencies (DOI, FWS, Commerce Dept) to manage our public lands and waters, not sell out. We need a Congress that will fund the management plans for our public resources. My fear and I think it is mutual fear, that the current administration will just burn all of our institutions to the ground. We need to push back and get the funds to fix the problems with resource management. A “Scorched Earth Policy” doesn’t work.

Anyone with any executive management experience what-so-ever can say that you find out what the problems are then you figure out how much money it takes to fix the issues. Write up your management plan and budget then go to the people with the purse strings and show them what they are getting for the money….

 

[huntcookwrite]

Also, none of what I proposed that was being considered preservation matches the strict no touching interpretation of preservation anyway so it’s a moot point.

Agree I was just being pedantic

 

[PLhunter]

oh look another post about the sky is falling because of "Trump"...from the usual posters that magically only posts liberal scare stories..

instead of caring about things that actually have happened to our land and hunting rights, these posters love to rant about things that haven't happened and didn't happen the last time they did this exact same routine during the first term.

last 4 years we had an administration ran by a woman that wanted to return land to "natives', cover the land with solar and wind power. we have had the epa weaponized and got lawfared to death to prevent science based predator and land management. we have lost bear seasons, mountain lion seasons, trapping, etc. you never hear a peep from these folks that are so concerned with hunting and conservation.

it's been a month and the constant whining is already old and unwanted. do everyone a favor and come back when something actually happens. if they actually sell some of our public land I am sure everyone will beat it down like we always do...

I really wish you would put the same energy spamming forums with rainbow bullshit into something useful like taking advantage of having a hunting/fishing/gardening friendly administration and get our rights codified on the federal level.

Every poster on this thread has dozens or hundreds of post on other topics. Let’s keep our criticism’s in the realm of reality. There is no “rainbow bullshit” in discussing the potential sell or degradation of our shared resource. Find a new dog whistle.

Disengaging.

 

[william schmaltz]

Unpopular opinion here but I’d go the opposite direction. The .gov is abysmal at managing just about everything. I’d rather see the power go back to the people in the way of private ownership. All the smaller farmers I know work hard and take pride in their stewardship. Want a place to hunt? Buy some land. Everyone wants a handout around here it seems tho

Our current DOI secretary is in politics because he was hand selected and bankrolled by his former boss. You may have heard of him as the owner of a small company known as Microsoft. Seemingly not coincidentally the same guy that is the largest private landowner in America. If they sell off public lands, there will be about 10 buyers that can compete in that market.

 

[ncstatehunter]

I honestly, don’t think our group purchase would be accepted. You’re undercutting the budget by a few billions that would need to be spent to just be in the room to propose our group purchase idea to the powers that be.

Not saying current public land purchase, that’s not even in my mind now. I’m talking about current land for sale that’s in private hands and not open to the public. Example, 2.2k acres in Sheridan butting up to Wyoming state land for 7.6 million. Buying acreage like that slowly but surely. A billion or two a year would buy a lot of acreage that otherwise is no open or limited. Start small, build big. These giants you speak of didn’t start as giants for the most part.

 

[PLhunter]

Not saying current public land purchase, that’s not even in my mind now. I’m talking about current land for sale that’s in private hands and not open to the public. Example, 2.2k acres in Sheridan butting up to Wyoming state land for 7.6 million. Buying acreage like that slowly but surely. A billion or two a year would buy a lot of acreage that otherwise is no open or limited. Start small, build big. These giants you speak of didn’t start as giants for the most part.

Oh yeah. No I’ve thought of this as well. I’m on board man. Let’s get the damn go fund me going. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[PLhunter]

lol if we all stop buying 3 suppressors a year and limit ourselves to 2-3 .223’s and 1000 tmk’s a year we could buy the crazies with 6 months of savings.

 

[Ten Bears]

Every poster on this thread has dozens or hundreds of post on other topics. Let’s keep our criticism’s in the realm of reality. There is no “rainbow bullshit” in discussing the potential sell or degradation of our shared resource. Find a new dog whistle.

Disengaging.

looks like I was right over target with you.

continue on with your “disengaging” lol

 

[Ozarkansas]

Not saying current public land purchase, that’s not even in my mind now. I’m talking about current land for sale that’s in private hands and not open to the public. Example, 2.2k acres in Sheridan butting up to Wyoming state land for 7.6 million. Buying acreage like that slowly but surely. A billion or two a year would buy a lot of acreage that otherwise is no open or limited. Start small, build big. These giants you speak of didn’t start as giants for the most part.

A lot of this already exists in the form of local and national land trusts. It would definitely be doable, but I’d prefer it to be in addition to public lands rather than in place of them.

Trump"...from the usual posters that magically only posts liberal scare stories..

I doubt most of us posting on this issue are liberal, although these days the meaning of that term has become “anyone who disagrees with any aspect of the administration”.
I agree that this administration is a great opportunity to get hunting and fishing rights (gardening rights aren’t exactly under attack) codified at the federal level, and I would love if Trump did that. That doesn’t mean I have to kiss the ring with regards to public land policy. There are people on his team who’s views on public lands deeply concern me.

Out of curiosity, did you hold the same viewpoint towards all the “Concerned about Biden’s stance on guns/public land hunting/etc” posts on here in 2021 after he became president? Since he hadn’t done anything yet, did you feel that those posts were also “constant whining”?

 

[TaperPin]

Yes, tariffs are a tax and always a bad idea. We had tariffs before January as well. We just didn't hear about them so much.

I’m all for making things better - hopefully you guys can tell us as time goes by what’s actually getting better. A handful of photocopied papers Elon was waving around isn’t proof of any waste - if it actually was waste wouldn’t he be pumped to share all the details? If taxes go down, if prices go down, if the national debt goes down, or anything that helps normal folks, we’d love to hear it.

 

[Loo.wii]

The skating right over money printing and government waste is hilarious.

Thank God for these DOGE audits. I always wondered how the government managed to tax the hell out of the populace and could never cover their spending. The deflections from the TDS crowd are only going to intensify.

I see your point. I don't see the "audits" as a completely bad thing, but the rug pull that much of the country will experience will be received poorly. There are so many m/billion dollars worth of crops that the USAID signs off to go to X country, and they are grown by US farmers. That is taking money out of everyday peoples pockets.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

I really wish you would put the same energy spamming forums with rainbow bullshit into something useful like taking advantage of having a hunting/fishing/gardening friendly administration and get our rights codified on the federal lelevel.

I'm curious about your sentence "...our rights codified on the federal level". What does that mean exactly and how would we go about getting that done? It sounds interesting.

 

[Ten Bears]

A lot of this already exists in the form of local and national land trusts. It would definitely be doable, but I’d prefer it to be in addition to public lands rather than in place of them.



I doubt most of us posting on this issue are liberal, although these days the meaning of that term has become “anyone who disagrees with any aspect of the administration”.
I agree that this administration is a great opportunity to get hunting and fishing rights (gardening rights aren’t exactly under attack) codified at the federal level, and I would love if Trump did that. That doesn’t mean I have to kiss the ring with regards to public land policy. There are people on his team who’s views on public lands deeply concern me.

Out of curiosity, did you hold the same viewpoint towards all the “Concerned about Biden’s stance on guns/public land hunting/etc” posts on here in 2021 after he became president? Since he hadn’t done anything yet, did you feel that those posts were also “constant whining”?

What I am getting at is that this same conversation happened last time on here. Yet we didn’t lose any public land. In the meantime we actually lost hunting rights. It’s tiresome to have the same crowd stir up something that hasn’t happened while ignoring things that really did happen.

In regards to gardening, I think adding it helps as a right to gather food. Which in my state we actually did lose the right to buy gardening items during covid.

regarding Biden start- the difference is that we have a history of the Dem side being anti hunting and gun rights. They don’t hide that fact at all. The Department of Interior pick and party stance on green energy was especially worrisome for public land. Again they openly stated it so the worry wasn’t unwarranted.

 

[IdahoBeav]

I’m all for making things better - hopefully you guys can tell us as time goes by what’s actually getting better. A handful of photocopied papers Elon was waving around isn’t proof of any waste - if it actually was waste wouldn’t he be pumped to share all the details? If taxes go down, if prices go down, if the national debt goes down, or anything that helps normal folks, we’d love to hear it.

Yes, they'll need to deliver results. However, we're only one month in and they're acknowledging government waste and slashing departments and employees. I never thought I'd see an administration reduce government in any form. Typically, Republicans are only for small government when they are not in power.

 

[TaperPin]

instead of caring about things that actually have happened to our land and hunting rights, these posters love to rant about things that haven't happened and didn't happen the last time they did this exact same routine during the first term.

I’m all for judging someone based entirely on the result of their actions. I won’t even bring up how Trump loved giving away Covid checks with his name on them, or how much he increased the national debt last time. Let’s just focus on this time.

You show us the details in how what they are doing is benefitting us directly. For the next four years I look forward to hearing how what they are doing actually helps us. So far taxes and prices are going up, which leaves less money for my toys.

 

[Ten Bears]

I'm curious about your sentence "...our rights codified on the federal level". What does that mean exactly and how would we go about getting that done? It sounds interesting.

it would be a massive undertaking. something that would require unity within our hunting/fishing organizations and community.
a constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to gather our own food via hunting, fishing, and other means.

 

[ncstatehunter]

A lot of this already exists in the form of local and national land trusts. It would definitely be doable, but I’d prefer it to be in addition to public lands rather than in place of them.

It would be in addition to public land and combat any loss that might happen as well as have a vehicle to help combat that (money talks, bs walks). I’m aware they already exist but many of those lands held in said trusts are closed to consumptive use. Ideologically as public land sportsmen I feel there is a divide (already brought up) that any public land not open to recreational and consumptive use is still good and then any public land not open to that is useless. We already have to fight tooth and nail in many states to hold the line on our tradition and lifestyle as sportsmen, so I fall more in the camp of the latter and I’m someone that lives in a public land rich area and hikes and bikes on public land just as much as I hunt and fish on it. I see the value beyond the consumption use but damn it if I won’t fight tooth and nail to hold on to my ability for consumptive use on those same lands and want to increase that as much as I can. We just gained Sunday hunting in the last few years here in NC and the fight for that on public lands was even harder. It’s in place with stipulations and not possible on all our public lands. So call me greedy for wanting land open to the public that’s main focus is on consumptive users. We clamor for doing what’s best for the resource and increasing the amount of pie so everyone gets a bigger slice while bemoaning pressure, access and quality of the experience dwindling. Well, putting money where mouth is, adding to access with a focus on managed land open to hunting and fishing for all, etc. seems like low hanging fruit instead of fighting a system that is being shown more and more to be puppet stringed behind our backs. Those who want to fight for public lands would be wise to fight fire with fire. Again, money talks. If y’all say it’s going to work against us then we might as well try like hell to make it work for us on a grander scale than ever before.

 

[Ten Bears]

I’m all for judging someone based entirely on the result of their actions. I won’t even bring up how Trump loved giving away Covid checks with his name on them, or how much he increased the national debt last time. Let’s just focus on this time.

You show us the details in how what they are doing is benefitting us directly. For the next four years I look forward to hearing how what they are doing actually helps us. So far taxes and prices are going up, which leaves less money for my toys.

You have been so crazy on here the past month that’s it’s pointless to chat with you.

Have a good one.

 

[PLhunter]

I’m all for judging someone based entirely on the result of their actions. I won’t even bring up how Trump loved giving away Covid checks with his name on them, or how much he increased the national debt last time. Let’s just focus on this time.

You show us the details in how what they are doing is benefitting us directly. For the next four years I look forward to hearing how what they are doing actually helps us. So far taxes and prices are going up, which leaves less money for my toys.

The issue is this time the cuts are a political tool and not bringing about any real efficiencies. The consumer protection cuts being the most obvious example. It’s cutting out whoever is in the way. I want to see value and I’m not seeing value. Also, what I value differs greatly from what musk values. As a one man wrecking crew he can cut whatever is in his way without concern for what programs provide value to many.

People confuse literal small government vs a government with limited and well checked power. A king is small government by the number of people in it, but big government in its power to oppress and dictate. People need to not confuse the two and I fear they do. Cutting checks and balances doesn’t shrink the government just consolidates that power.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Because grazing buffalo needs special fencing for one thing. But the primary reason is that animals that are raised as “zoo” animals that will not be consumed are competing against cattle, elk, pronghorn, deer on public lands. So now we have a private business interest that is ruining our public lands and not contributing food to our economy. When APR started grazing their bison herds on BLM lands, it devastated the cattle industry in Montana. This “we shouldn’t be eating meat in the 21st century” group has caused food prices to soar…

There is an infinite amount of mistruth in this. They certainly did not “devastate” the cattle industry. You are talking about one BLM allotment the APR acquired with the land purchase. How in the world does one allotment devastate the entire cattle industry in the state? Get real.

You’ve obviously missed the fact APR often works with neighboring ranchers to lease grazing to them? That sounds pretty nefarious. Not to mention they also allow public hunting AND access to landlocked public lands.