Peterson 's Hunting - Small caliber article

[43.6N]

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Hahaha fair enough!

Confabulation:
it refers to unconsciously inventing false, fabricated, or imagined details to fill gaps in memory or knowledge

One of those 10 dollar words I have to know for work

 

[Ryan Avery]

My wife took down this cow from 600 yards using a 6CM. I just spent a week hunting bears with ABO Outfitters, and they rent out 6CM rifles for elk/deer/bears hunts. The owner (Cameron) told me there are far fewer rodeos with the 6CM than with larger calibers. If these influencers would shut up and give these little 6mm an honest try, they would be impressed. But they won't because they have agendas.

 

[dårlig jeger]

Hahaha fair enough!

Confabulation:
it refers to unconsciously inventing false, fabricated, or imagined details to fill gaps in memory or knowledge

One of those 10 dollar words I have to know for work

I think I was conflating confabulation and confusion. I incorrectly inferred implications of meaning in context.

 

[43.6N]

I think I was conflating confabulation and confusion. I incorrectly inferred implications of meaning in context.

Nailed it.

 

[Bluumoon]

My wife took down this cow from 600 yards using a 6CM. I just spent a week hunting bears with ABO Outfitters, and they rent out 6CM rifles for elk/deer/bears hunts. The owner (Cameron) told me there are far fewer rodeos with the 6CM than with larger calibers. If these influencers would shut up and give these little 6mm an honest try, they would be impressed. But they won't because they have agendas.

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I’d venture a guess Cameron has properly setup and zeroed rifles. Influencers need that whallop for when they hit em in the ass.

 

[mt terry d]

And this applies to all calibers. I do believe that a lot of elk are lost annually by shooters who don’t bother to go look for evidence of a hit, especially when the distance is long and the bullet is small.

I agree with all this except I’d weakly argue it would be more likely that your average magnum shooter woul be less inclined to hike across that ravine to look because we all know a magnum will drop them in their tracks
I’ve only killed a few with the rifle (300 WM, 7mm WBY, 223) and the only one that dropped on the spot
was a bull shot through the lungs (200 yards) with a 160 gr 7mm Nosler partition. Pencil hole entrance, between the ribs (no bone fragments) and a pencil hole exit.
We’ve all been taught “magnum vs no magnum: boy they sure can soak up the lead! vs yup, it doesn’t have enough wallop!

 

[roosiebull]

I see your sarcasm, but 100%.
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Must not have a rut thickened hide yet or it would be about twice that

 

[DLSJR]

Haha oh boy you're joking right? If not you've got some knowledge gaps to fill in.

That’s what Sierra’s website says presently. I take them at their word.

 

[Grizzle]

That’s what Sierra’s website says presently. I take them at their word.

Do you understand why that is posted on their website? I'll give a hint it's nothing to do with terminal performance.

 

[DLSJR]

I agree with all this except I’d weakly argue it would be more likely that your average magnum shooter woul be less inclined to hike across that ravine to look because we all know a magnum will drop them in their tracks
I’ve only killed a few with the rifle (300 WM, 7mm WBY, 223) and the only one that dropped on the spot
was a bull shot through the lungs (200 yards) with a 160 gr 7mm Nosler partition. Pencil hole entrance, between the ribs (no bone fragments) and a pencil hole exit.
We’ve all been taught “magnum vs no magnum: boy they sure can soak up the lead! vs yup, it doesn’t have enough wallop!

Actually, I think cartridge used has less to do with guys not following up a shot than too many people simply having a lack of ethics regardless of what they’re shooting. If an elk shows no reaction to a shot, some people assume they missed and don’t properly follow up. When the distance is long and the terrain difficult, it’s easier for some to decide they missed than to go check.

 

[DLSJR]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

 

[Grizzle]

So... no interest in learning why your mistaken on TMK's for hunting? And now we're cape buffalo hunting? Good argument. Solid. I'll be sure to remember that if I'm ever hunting high fenced bovine's. Keep yer blinders on if you'd like but it's not going to convince anyone that's used them.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

I’ve never hunted Cape Buffalo, but your suggestion doesn’t sound very sporting. The only thing that makes hunting that species interesting is the generally close range element of danger. Shooting at 300 yards on a broadside presentation, it might as well be any other bovine. If you pay for the trip and find a guide who doesn’t care about pesky minimum caliber laws, I will be happy to snipe a Cape Buffalo at 300 yards with a .243 and 116 TMKs.

 

[The_Yetti]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

Going to extremes in an argument seems like a good tactic when you've run out of facts.

 

[KurtR]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

 

[KHntr]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

Maybe take a listen to Cliff Grays podcast with Dr Ashby, he talked a bit about a buddy of his killing thousands of cape buffalo with a 22 Hornet and 45 gr Kynoch solids….

 

[Big_wals]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

Guys kill Cape Buffalo with a razor blade on the end of a carbon stick moving at 270 fps. If you’re paying for the trip, I’ll join Q_Sertorius with my .243

 

[BLJ]

I’ve got a great idea for all the guys who espouse the superiority of small caliber, highly frangible bullets over larger controlled expansion bullets. You should all go use them on my other favorite game animal to hunt besides elk… Cape Buffalo!

This would be your ultimate opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. Hunt something where it truly matters and I can’t think of a better animal to prove it on than a buffalo. And to make it even more impressive, shoot a big old bull at 300+ yards since ‘bullet placement matters more than anything else’.

I’ll eagerly await to read your tales of how it goes.

I agree. Gotta find the limits somehow.

I’ve never hunted Cape Buffalo, but your suggestion doesn’t sound very sporting. The only thing that makes hunting that species interesting is the generally close range element of danger. Shooting at 300 yards on a broadside presentation, it might as well be any other bovine. If you pay for the trip and find a guide who doesn’t care about pesky minimum caliber laws, I will be happy to snipe a Cape Buffalo at 300 yards with a .243 and 116 TMKs.

Also agree.

Do it at close range like there normally hunted.

 

[DLSJR]

I agree. Gotta find the limits somehow.

Also agree.

Do it at close range like there normally hunted.

I was being facetious when I suggested 300 yards, as some of these small caliber sycophants also seem to have an affinity for longer shots. Most of the buffalo I’ve shot have been 20-75 yards. Longest was about 100 and closest was a couple feet off the end of my barrel.

Hunting them again in a few months and I’ll probably shoot one with my version of a small caliber, which will be .338 with a 225 grain TTSX.

 

[DLSJR]

So... no interest in learning why your mistaken on TMK's for hunting? And now we're cape buffalo hunting? Good argument. Solid. I'll be sure to remember that if I'm ever hunting high fenced bovine's. Keep yer blinders on if you'd like but it's not going to convince anyone that's used them.

No, no interest in using TMK’s on anything other than varmints. I know what works well and I prefer Bear Claws, TTSX, Swift A Frames, Partitions. They all kill stuff very well. Need to try more Cutting Edge Raptors and North Fork SS because I trust those too.

I’ll save shooting TMK’s for coyotes and other varmints.