Pedals is dead.

[Where's Bruce?]

I've done my share of ADC work (on cattle ranches) and if depred killing is insufficient, why not toss up a hotwired fence? Cheap solution really and ungulates can still hop it if ya do it right so your deer hunting isn't impacted.

 

[Blinginpse]

I've done my share of ADC work (on cattle ranches) and if depred killing is insufficient, why not toss up a hotwired fence? Cheap solution really and ungulates can still hop it if ya do it right so your deer hunting isn't impacted.

Would you want to put up and take down a electric fence around a 70 acre corn field? And fix it when something runs through it the first 3-4 times. And have post around the middle of your fields that you half to drive and pull each fall?


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[camping1601]

I've done my share of ADC work (on cattle ranches) and if depred killing is insufficient, why not toss up a hotwired fence? Cheap solution really and ungulates can still hop it if ya do it right so your deer hunting isn't impacted.

We mostly farm smaller patches here. 5-50 acre field spread around on miles of different leased ground. Not remotely realistic and the deer tend to knock down the temporary type.

 

[Blinginpse]

We mostly farm smaller patches here. 5-50 acre field spread around on miles of different leased ground. Not remotely realistic and the deer tend to knock down the temporary type.

Yep


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[Logan T]

I've done my share of ADC work (on cattle ranches) and if depred killing is insufficient, why not toss up a hotwired fence? Cheap solution really and ungulates can still hop it if ya do it right so your deer hunting isn't impacted.

A permanent electric fence will do nothing to the bears, unless you build a tight 7 wire fence. Then again, I've seen bears go through a 7 wire buffalo fence before too. Sure, a one wire set up around a tent while hunting or camping might deter a bear for a night or two, but if it's set up year round where they live they learn to live with it. And when you get to 7 wires, it's not very economical.


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[Where's Bruce?]

One rancher I call predators for has a single hot wire run about 3' off the ground attached to a barbed wire fence. But his fence is stationary and he has ready access to power. Sounds like crops present a unique logistical challenge. Time to train some dogs perhaps? Sell bear hunts on the properties? That is a lot of damage, what is the dollar figure of such loss? Can a farmer by insurance for such damage?

 

[Blinginpse]

One rancher I call predators for has a single hot wire run about 3' off the ground attached to a barbed wire fence. But his fence is stationary and he has ready access to power. Sounds like crops present a unique logistical challenge. Time to train some dogs perhaps? Sell bear hunts on the properties? That is a lot of damage, what is the dollar figure of such loss? Can a farmer by insurance for such damage?

People that have dogs that run bears is half the issue. They are why we now have separate bear tags. Bear hunters will tree 30-100 bears in the month of December when Kill season is in. How many will they kill? 3-4!! They only kill boars and the big 1's at that 300+ unless they have someone along that just wants to shoot 1.

Now not every group is like this but of the groups around here I know that's how they roll. 2 years ago 1 gang treed 94 bears and killed 2. How of them was the same bear I have no clue but that is how many bears they say eyes on. Now you ask them how many they trees that month and it's ahhhh 15-20. They've realized they need to not say how many they tree cause people tired of the shit.

Bears move to much to sell hunts here and you can't bait. When you have thousands of acres of corn they can go from corn to corn and never been seen taking the hell outta crops. As far as loss it's hard to figure. 2 years ago fertilizer was out the roof was costing over 525$ a acre to put out corn pending how high the bags of corn are. 200$+ per bag and it plants about 2.5acres. As far as insurance I'm not sure but there is no use like people claiming deer accidents just makes stuff go higher. Better off just bite ya loss and kill the bastards.




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[Blinginpse]

At this point I'm not aware of anyone just shooting them and letting run off to die although I'm sure it's happened somewhere more than most known but if the state doesn't get this in check I'll
Assure you it will start happening.

What's is amounting to is non hunters like common everyday society around towns take drive in the country and want to see more bears. Farmers and hunters acknowledge the problem and want less.


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[Desk Jockey]

Presuming this guy did boast about it and I query the wisdom of the game officer making a public statement, I take a dim view of this one. I put pedals in the same category as the bowmar bear. Technically, neither hunter did anything illegal or wrong but the way it is perceived by the non hunting public is unfortunate and wrong but also unavoidable.

I live in the northeast suburbs and there is a very curious dichotomy of the majority of the public to protect and preserve furry critters like bears and deer and the desire to have the same animals not eat your trash and shrubbery. Those are the same people that go to nice restaurants and pay big $ for game meat and fresh fish.

It ain't right. It don't make sense. It is what it is.

Hunting is becoming more popular and liberalized here in the northeast (for better or worse). Public perceptions like this sets it back.

Personally, I would have preferred that jersey game people would have tranq'd pedals and taken him to a nice, comfortable bear sanctuary we he could have lived out his days. That would have let us hunters enjoy what we do without the grief.

 

[Jauwater]

Presuming this guy did boast about it and I query the wisdom of the game officer making a public statement, I take a dim view of this one. I put pedals in the same category as the bowmar bear. Technically, neither hunter did anything illegal or wrong but the way it is perceived by the non hunting public is unfortunate and wrong but also unavoidable.

I live in the northeast suburbs and there is a very curious dichotomy of the majority of the public to protect and preserve furry critters like bears and deer and the desire to have the same animals not eat your trash and shrubbery. Those are the same people that go to nice restaurants and pay big $ for game meat and fresh fish.

It ain't right. It don't make sense. It is what it is.

Hunting is becoming more popular and liberalized here in the northeast (for better or worse). Public perceptions like this sets it back.

Personally, I would have preferred that jersey game people would have tranq'd pedals and taken him to a nice, comfortable bear sanctuary we he could have lived out his days. That would have let us hunters enjoy what we do without the grief.

Good Post.

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[16Bore]

Bliningpse-

I've heard bear dog story from quite a few sources and believe it to be true as well. As a fella Virginian, I gotta say I f-n hate the deer dogs as well (not to distract from the topic).

My curiosity is why there's limited desire to bear hunt? I've never done it. Maybe it's the trichinosis "fear"?

Just don't know, maybe I'll try one day.

 

[KHNC]

I read on another forum that this is all a HOAX. That the hunter in this story still has a valid tag and the story was made up by protesters. Interested in seeing how this plays out. People will believe anything if the media spins it right.

 

[16Bore]

Imagine if the Nazi's had handheld propaganda machines.

 

[Blinginpse]

Bliningpse-

I've heard bear dog story from quite a few sources and believe it to be true as well. As a fella Virginian, I gotta say I f-n hate the deer dogs as well (not to distract from the topic).

My curiosity is why there's limited desire to bear hunt? I've never done it. Maybe it's the trichinosis "fear"?

Just don't know, maybe I'll try one day.

At first when bears was really finally being seen in this country when I was a boy bout 12 (30 now) if you seen a bear it was worth talking about. Seen my first at 12 when was in paw paws driveway I said dad what's that black running around the hill he stopped working on the feed grinder and said that was a bear. I'd seen that bear and few others here and there until I was about 23-24 then it's like they exploded.

People was gung-ho all high and mighty about killing a bear. Especially during the deer seasons. They wasn't used to seeing them around and of course people wanted to kill their first, but after everyone kills their firs they don't care to kill another unless it's just a flat out brute.

I ask people often if they've bought their bear tag and some yes and no's and ask why the answers are pretty close most always close. The no's are usually "i don't care to kill 1. Or I've killed 1 before or several in the past and I'm not filling with them anymore they aren't worth nothing or something to those lines generally"

Those that say yes they purchased a tag usually have not killed a bear and looking for their first or others that have killed a bear are just looking for a sizable animal cause they have no desire to just kill a bear that's legal size. Why I'm not sure. Personally if that wooly shaggy bastard is legal I'm shooting.

On the bear dog issue. If you've never been behind a pack of dogs and chased a bear only way I can describe it is you love it or hate it. The owners of dogs do it for love if the dogs and won't punch their tag just bring people along that wants to kill 1. Some the places u end up is this side of hell and trying to get a bear out of it is that itself. They just aren't worth it to me.

Here watch this. This is a video I took. I seen 4 this size in a matter of 45 seconds they was the back 2 kinda straggling being typical bears. I was scouting for deer in early November 2 years ago had nothing but a pistol on my side. All 4 was small so I was watching for the sow their momma i assume to show up and give me trouble but luckily they moseyed on along.
Bear - YouTube



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[16Bore]

Damn.

If they had antlers more guys would shoot them. Never been on my radar. I hear the meat is good, but I know nothing about it.

Other than, "well done".

 

[Blinginpse]

Damn.

If they had antlers more guys would shoot them. Never been on my radar. I hear the meat is good, but I know nothing about it.

Other than, "well done".

Meat is good if killed early. Killem with dogs on their ass and may as well eat your boot


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