Painless load development (mine)

[Chet707]

So @Carl Ross was correct. The Harrell’s powder dispenser is legit.

Dumped 50 charges in just over 3 minutes. That would normally take 45’ish minutes with the electronic dispenser.

5 throws in a row with H4350- not trying to be consistent at all; just lift, drop.

Did you check the charges to see how consistent it threw h4350?

I bought the harrells measure also because of this thread.

It meters varget very well, I checked the 1st 10 charges and it was within .1 (measured on a lymen pocket scale). Threw 50 and haven't looked back.

H4350 seemed to occasionally throw .5 under or .5 over. Most of them averaged about .2 to .3 off. I didn't rethrow or trickle any of them, mostly just curious to see where it would end up. Loaded 100 rounds in short order. Slow twist .243

How big of a spread do you think would be acceptable for a 450ish yard gun on powder charge? Within a gr?

 

[Formidilosus]

Did you check the charges to see how consistent it threw h4350?

Sigh. The picture didn’t attach. It is in the post now. .2 grain variance with H4350 across five dumps.

How big of a spread do you think would be acceptable for a 450ish yard gun on powder charge? Within a gr?

Depends on the gun. The load above had at a minimum .2 grains variance- and yet shot a .67 MOA- 9 shot group, and the ES/SD was just fine. That load is a near 800 yard load for animals.

 

[Chet707]

Sigh. The picture didn’t attach. It is in the post now. .2 grain variance with H4350 across five dumps.





Depends on the gun. The load above had at a minimum .2 grains variance- and yet shot a .67 MOA- 9 shot group, and the ES/SD was just fine. That load is a near 800 yard load for animals.

Awesome.

My initial 20 shots for the painless method had a .5 grains variance and 1.1" for the first 10 at 100 and 5" vertical spread and 7" horizontal spread at 574 for the next 10 (little breezy).

Thanks for all the information.
It was mostly because of this thread that I finally started reloading.

 

[Formidilosus]

Awesome.

My initial 20 shots for the painless method had a .5 grains variance and 1.1" for the first 10 at 100 and 5" vertical spread and 7" horizontal spread at 574 for the next 10 (little breezy).

Yeah, that load is done.

Thanks for all the information.
It was mostly because of this thread that I finally started reloading.

You are welcome.

 

[WestTN2288]

Sigh. The picture didn’t attach. It is in the post now. .2 grain variance with H4350 across five dumps.





Depends on the gun. The load above had at a minimum .2 grains variance- and yet shot a .67 MOA- 9 shot group, and the ES/SD was just fine. That load is a near 800 yard load for animals.

That insinuates that you’re shooting the aero match at critters?

 

[Formidilosus]

That insinuates that you’re shooting the aero match at critters?

I would. But no. TMK’s.

 

[id_jon]

Dumped 50 charges in just over 3 minutes. That would normally take 45’ish minutes with the electronic dispenser.

What dinosaur dispenser are you using that takes nearly a minute per charge??

My setup is a harrels that dumps into my cup on a FX120i, usually set up to throw ~.1 under my target and I trickle the rest. Maybe 10% will dump my target weight with H4350, and maybe 5% are over my acceptable variance. +/- .2 with H4350 is mostly what I see, you will get the occasional +.35 or -.35, so I still like to weigh them all because it gives me the warm fuzzies. This method averages around 40 minutes to charge 100 and velocity SDs are generally 5-9fps.

Maybe on my next box of 100 I'll just dump with the Harrels and see what the SD is.

 

[Formidilosus]

What dinosaur dispenser are you using that takes nearly a minute per charge??

RCBS.

My setup is a harrels that dumps into my cup on a FX120i, usually set up to throw ~.1 under my target and I trickle the rest. Maybe 10% will dump my target weight with H4350, and maybe 5% are over my acceptable variance. +/- .2 with H4350 is mostly what I see, you will get the occasional +.35 or -.35, so I still like to weigh them all because it gives me the warm fuzzies. This method averages around 40 minutes to charge 100 and velocity SDs are generally 5-9fps.

Maybe on my next box of 100 I'll just dump with the Harrels and see what the SD is.

I’m not doing both together- or I haven’t. The Harrells is going to work out just fine I foresee.

 

[KyleR1985]

The harrels is awesome. I too bought it as soon as I read through that post by Carl. I got lucky that I hadn’t yet purchased anything yet to throw powder, and that someone on here had one for sale.

I use lever and 8208xbr and it’s simple and fast and more precise than I can shoot for both.

I also bought my dasher die from them.

“Put cash and 3 fired cases in the mail, and we’ll get you a die” and “spare parts on the way just mail us a check or cash when you can” is my kind of business to deal with.

 

[waspocrew]

That Harrels thrower looks great - a little on the spendy side, but the adjustments look a lot more refined (and repeatable) than what I have on my cheap RCBS uniflow. Throwers really speed up the loading process for me and works very well for 300 BLK, 223, and 6 ARC. Bulkier extruded powder doesn't do as well, but I usually just take care of it with my chargemaster.

I may have to give the Harrels another serious look.

 

[Bluumoon]

What dinosaur dispenser are you using that takes nearly a minute per charge??

My setup is a harrels that dumps into my cup on a FX120i, usually set up to throw ~.1 under my target and I trickle the rest. Maybe 10% will dump my target weight with H4350, and maybe 5% are over my acceptable variance. +/- .2 with H4350 is mostly what I see, you will get the occasional +.35 or -.35, so I still like to weigh them all because it gives me the warm fuzzies. This method averages around 40 minutes to charge 100 and velocity SDs are generally 5-9fps.

Maybe on my next box of 100 I'll just dump with the Harrels and see what the SD is.

My new method w Harrels and H4350…I fill up a tray of 50 cases, fill them from Harrels while in the tray, one by one dump into container on zeroed scale, add or subtract powder until within in 0.1 gr and funnel in empty case. It’s still my least favorite part.

 

[RME]

The harrels is awesome. I too bought it as soon as I read through that post by Carl. I got lucky that I hadn’t yet purchased anything yet to throw powder, and that someone on here had one for sale.

I bought one 10 years ago for loading at the range at it's been great. There's other BR measures on the market but for the price the Harrells is hard to beat.

 

[id_jon]

My new method w Harrels and H4350…I fill up a tray of 50 cases, fill them from Harrels while in the tray, one by one dump into container on zeroed scale, add or subtract powder until within in 0.1 gr and funnel in empty case. It’s still my least favorite part.

Someday the Ingenuity Precision trickler will actually exist and I'll switch to that, I figure it might be the same speed, but should be fool proof enough that I can pay one of my kids to do it for me

 

[willfrye027]

Big fan of my Harrells as well. Huge time saver.

Only thing to “monitor” is that sometimes there is static buildup or stickiness with certain powders. I’ve got a couple loads that will randomly throw one charge a grain or more under, and the next charge is a grain or more over as the stuck powder comes unstuck. N555 does it occasionally and I’m forgetting the others…so that load I just verify the weights on a beam very quickly before I dump it in. If it’s way over or under it’s dumped back and a new charge gets thrown. Still pretty dang fast.

 

[KyleR1985]

Big fan of my Harrells as well. Huge time saver.

Only thing to “monitor” is that sometimes there is static buildup or stickiness with certain powders. I’ve got a couple loads that will randomly throw one charge a grain or more under, and the next charge is a grain or more over as the stuck powder comes unstuck. N555 does it occasionally and I’m forgetting the others…so that load I just verify the weights on a beam very quickly before I dump it in. If it’s way over or under it’s dumped back and a new charge gets thrown. Still pretty dang fast.

Where’s it sticking? In the mechanism or the drop tube?

 

[Nine Banger]

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My new method w Harrels and H4350…I fill up a tray of 50 cases, fill them from Harrels while in the tray, one by one dump into container on zeroed scale, add or subtract powder until within in 0.1 gr and funnel in empty case. It’s still my least favorite part.

I noticed with the way I lube my cases with one shot, if I dump them out, powder will stick up inside them. I threw out 100 223 loads that were too hot with TMKs in them because it didn't seem worth the time to get the stuck powder out.

For H4350 I've been holding the crucible from my beam scale up against the tube on the Harrels and catching the charge, weighing and trickling then dumping. If I don't hold the crucible right up to the tube the H4350 grains tends to bounce out.

 

[tim tarras]

Big fan of my Harrells as well. Huge time saver.

Only thing to “monitor” is that sometimes there is static buildup or stickiness with certain powders. I’ve got a couple loads that will randomly throw one charge a grain or more under, and the next charge is a grain or more over as the stuck powder comes unstuck. N555 does it occasionally and I’m forgetting the others…so that load I just verify the weights on a beam very quickly before I dump it in. If it’s way over or under it’s dumped back and a new charge gets thrown. Still pretty dang fast.

Stick a dryer anti static sheet in the bottle, after you fill it. It really helped when I was loading shotgun shells.

 

[willfrye027]

Stick a dryer anti static sheet in the bottle, after you fill it. It really helped when I was loading shotgun shells.

It’s only certain powders and more clumping together typically but yeah the dryer sheet is good to have on hand

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

What dinosaur dispenser are you using that takes nearly a minute per charge??

My old Hornady dispenser can do roughly 5 per minute depending on the powder. Some meter better than others, and when it starts getting low, I often get overcharges that require starting over.

I've had issues with SB 6.5 sticking to surfaces due to static as well. The kernels in that stuff are tiny and they like to jump around sometimes. That dryer sheet will come in really handy and thanks for the tip @willfrye027.

 

[Alpha Echo]

I got a glass hopper from https://dramworx.com/ for my RCBS uniflow measure (and my chargemaster) and it works well to reduce static issues.