Outfitter Tent

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

Used a Kodiak Canvas this year, 10x14, with a stove jack I installed and a nu-way propane stove. I had a couple nights where it was POURING rain outside and I was toasty warm and dry inside with a glass of scotch. I'd love a wall tent instead, but the kodiak made sense for ease of setup solo. (I'd rather have no floor, and use a tarp or perforated tarp so going in/out of the tent wasn't as much of a pain)

How was the condensation (any?) with the propane stove? The nice part about the wood stove is that it dries out your stuff should it be damp outside...

Cool set up!

 

[john.grim.5]

Thanks for sharing everyone. I think I'm definitely going to go with Davis. There's stove looks super heavy and bulky though, I'm going to look into others. Any of u canvas guys use a 3/4 floor or just go bare ground.


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[semperfidelis97]

I have had the 12x20 Alaknak for years now, and have definitely put it through the paces. Propane condensation is a problem when it is cold, and wet outside. I use my wood stove in those situations, and haven't had any condensation issues. It makes me wonder if guys that, are having issues aren't opening up the tent at all for ventilation. I personally would buy another in a heartbeat if I ever had to replace mine.

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[sveltri]

Go bare ground or cheap tarp, if it's in the budget a roof cover could be a good idea depending on the time you expect it to be setup.

 

[Brendan]

How was the condensation (any?) with the propane stove? The nice part about the wood stove is that it dries out your stuff should it be damp outside...

Cool set up!

No condensation whatsoever because the stove is externally vented with the chimney and stove jack. You only run into condensation issues with propane if it's something like a Mr. Heater without the external chimney.

Amazing to get back to camp, throw a knob and have a stove toasty warm without worrying about wood and be able to dry everything out.

 

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

Thanks for sharing everyone. I think I'm definitely going to go with Davis. There's stove looks super heavy and bulky though, I'm going to look into others. Any of u canvas guys use a 3/4 floor or just go bare ground.


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Hey John,

I've got the 3/4 floor with my davis kings package. It is a heavy duty tarp, that's non slick on one side. It's tough and nice. But it is a tarp, not canvas. I would suggest a 3/4 floor... then stack wood opposite the stove and the stove will keep the floor/entry dry. Plus, it you have a 3/4 floor and no awning, you can get inside the tent to take boots off w/o getting everything dirty inside. Beats standing outside trying to balance and take your boots off in a storm.

As for stoves, they are all about the same design. I recently added a pellet burner to the back of my davis stove that was made for a different company's stove. Same size, just a different name. Works great. I will say the davis stove is heavy, but that's kind of what you want. It'll last a while longer... The heavy gauge steel is what you should be looking at. The smaller gauge steel tends to warp when you get the stove hot...

Good luck!

 

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

Go bare ground or cheap tarp, if it's in the budget a roof cover could be a good idea depending on the time you expect it to be setup.

This is very good advice. 2 thoughts: 1. be careful if just getting a tarp. when they're wet, they're slick. Be careful. The davis one has some traction on it so it's better when its wet, but still can be slick. 2. a roof cover is a must. I got a cheap tarp and just cut a hole roughly the size of the stove pipe and the hot stove pipe took care of the rest of the "clearancing"... A roof tarp helps keep the heat in, the sun off the canvas (what kills wall tents), helps snow slide off, and protects the roof of the tent from embers/burn holes. It's a lot, a whole lot, cheaper to replace a cheap tarp than it is to replace/fix a wall tent. Whatever you do, DO NOT BURN paper in your stove. The embers will just go straight up the chimney and burn a hole right through everything.

 

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

No condensation whatsoever because the stove is externally vented with the chimney and stove jack. You only run into condensation issues with propane if it's something like a Mr. Heater without the external chimney.

Amazing to get back to camp, throw a knob and have a stove toasty warm without worrying about wood and be able to dry everything out.

That's awesome!!!! I have been looking at this as an alternative for when it's just me in the wall tent, rather than setting up a 14x16 wall tent for 1 guy... Does it burn through a ton of propane?

Thanks!

 

[camping1601]

Thanks for sharing everyone. I think I'm definitely going to go with Davis. There's stove looks super heavy and bulky though, I'm going to look into others. Any of u canvas guys use a 3/4 floor or just go bare ground.


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I'm using a cheap painters drop cloth from Harbor freight. I put grommets around the edges and stake it down with some med. size nails.
I love my four dog stove too.

 

[realunlucky]

No condensation whatsoever because the stove is externally vented with the chimney and stove jack. You only run into condensation issues with propane if it's something like a Mr. Heater without the external chimney.

Amazing to get back to camp, throw a knob and have a stove toasty warm without worrying about wood and be able to dry everything out.

This stove has my interest also. What brand is it
Edit nu way is brand will try and increase my reading comprehension

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[Brendan]

It is a nu-way. It wasn't extremely cold, and I only spent a handful of nights at base camp, but I doubt I used 25% of a cylinder over the 3-4 nights it was on low.

If I remember, Stid has posted some info on nu-way and using it in Alaska...

 

[5MilesBack]

I see that the biggest Nu-way stove is 27k BTU. I use a 30k BTU tank top heater in my 14x16 wall tent during archery, and there have been mornings in the past where that 30k BTU I would say is on the borderline of "enough". In a late season rifle hunt I'm not sure 27k BTU is going to cut it......unless these stoves get substantially warmer than an equivalent tank top heater. Sure, the stove should "hold" heat longer, but just how warm will it get? I'm sure the size of the tent makes a huge difference as well.

 

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

Circulation of "heat" is an issue as well as the size of the tent. I've been toying with the idea of a fan for the stove, along the lines of the caframo airmax ecofan - just something to help move all the hot air in the tent...

 

[Jason__G]

A couple of things to keep in mind.
Most wall tents can be set-up with internal frame or traditional poles. There is no rule that says that you can't have both and use whichever frame option works for the number of people coming along. More cost, but more flexible. FWIW, the Alaknak is closest to the traditional pole system and works almost identically.
Most wall tents can be ordered with windows, vents, door options etc. These will increase the flexibility of the use. You can always zip a window closed, but you can't open a window that you don't have. Same with a rear door etc.
The 12'x12' Alaknak has shorter sidewalls then the 12'x20'. (4' versus 5'). This really can change the usable space and footprint in the tent. Especially for taller people. Most wall tents have 5' sidewalls and you can order them taller or shorter if needed.
Pure canvas tents can be repaired fairly easily. Other fabrics may not be as easy to repair if torn, or damaged.

14'x16' is big for one or two people. Photo of my 14'x16' with three cots. This is only 1/2 of the tent for reference.

 

[ericF]

I got a Davis 14x16 floor on their scratch and dent sale. It had a few burn holes in it which I didn't care about when it was 1/3rd off. It is nice because it has a zippered part for the stove. My buddy just uses a tarp on his 15x18 along with a fabric cloth that is about 3/4 size of the tent for the middle. In both tents, we usually do cots around the outside and then a folding 6 foot table in the middle. This works out well for playing cards/ having dinner and provides a nice social area. The 14x16 is more than comfortable for three people, with 4 people being ok. I wouldn't want to stuff 5 people in, or else you lose the table in the middle.

I would also recommend an extra tarp/awning to help with snow removal and to keep cinders from floating back down on the tent. If there is a decent snow, you can just bang on the roof and the snow slides right off when you have the tarp. We've never not used a tarp, but I've heard that it is harder to get off.

 

[Hiker]

I really like my Denver tent, get the floor.............also look at 4 dog stoves
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[Brendan]

I see that the biggest Nu-way stove is 27k BTU. I use a 30k BTU tank top heater in my 14x16 wall tent during archery, and there have been mornings in the past where that 30k BTU I would say is on the borderline of "enough". In a late season rifle hunt I'm not sure 27k BTU is going to cut it......unless these stoves get substantially warmer than an equivalent tank top heater. Sure, the stove should "hold" heat longer, but just how warm will it get? I'm sure the size of the tent makes a huge difference as well.

I had no issues being able to heat my 10x14 with temps down into the 30's and pouring rain, and didn't even use the second burner. Maybe it's the steel stove and stove pipe radiating a lot more heat? Maybe it's the moisture that gets generated using a tank top heater?

With that said - for a late season rifle hunt - I think I agree that a big, heavy wood stove would be better, especially for a larger wall tent. That time of year you're back earlier, spending more time in the tent, need to put out more heat for longer. No experience comparing, but that's my guess...

 

[ColoradoHunterHiker]

It looks like the design (tapered walls) of the 10x14 make for a much smaller area to heat than a traditional 10x14 wall tent. I'd imagine that stove would be plenty to keep it warm. There's just something about a wood stove going when it's dumping snow outside. It's why we do what we do....