Original full stock Hawken sold

[Olsolitaire1]

Not many full stock around

S. Hawken St. Louis Signed Full-Stock Percussion Rifle

Extremely Rare and Desirable S. Hawken St. Louis Signed Full-Stock Percussion RifleThe famous Hawken brothers, Jacob (1786-1849) and Samuel Hawken (1792-1884), remain among the most renowned names in American muzzleloading history. They were active together in St. Louis starting in 1825 and have...

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[HighUintas]

That's an interesting one. I wish there were some more detail pictures of the tang and breech. I've not seen a breech bolster like that on a Hawken.

There's also something going on with the front sight. Most Hawken originals had a copper base for the post, but that one looks silver and it also looks like the front sight blade may have originally been sunk directly into the barrel just in front of the current dovetail configuration.

 

[lazydrifter]

If this rifle could talk imagine the stories it could tell.

 

[HighUintas]

I'm very surprised that an S Hawken went for that much. I think final price was 80k, Aunt. With the fees the absolute lowest price a person would have ended up paying would be 100K.

I sure wish I was in a position to put a bid on that rifle

 

[Olsolitaire1]

They say that there are only 6 full stocks known. Here is more info on this rifle, it does state it has a copper base and silver blade front site.

Rare Piece of Mountain Man History Up for Auction

The winner of an auction next month will be the proud owner of a rare piece of American mountain man history. The full-stock Hawken percussion cap rifle is one of only six in existence, and Rock Island Auction (RIA) estimates the final bid will be as high as $65,000. The rifle is in fine...

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The Hawken Rifle: History & Legend

As settlers pushed into the American West, the Hawken rifles made by Samuel and Jacob Hawken were instrumental in taming the vast & wild territory.

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Original Full Stock Hawken | S Hawken marked St. Louis Percussion Muzzleloader from the 1850s — I Love Muzzleloading

Original S Hawken Full Stock Rifle Photos

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[FrontierGander]

Oh to be rich!

 

[2Stamp]

They say that there are only 6 full stocks known. Here is more info on this rifle, it does state it has a copper base and silver blade front site.

Rare Piece of Mountain Man History Up for Auction

The winner of an auction next month will be the proud owner of a rare piece of American mountain man history. The full-stock Hawken percussion cap rifle is one of only six in existence, and Rock Island Auction (RIA) estimates the final bid will be as high as $65,000. The rifle is in fine...

www.themeateater.com

The Hawken Rifle: History & Legend

As settlers pushed into the American West, the Hawken rifles made by Samuel and Jacob Hawken were instrumental in taming the vast & wild territory.

www.rockislandauction.com

Original Full Stock Hawken | S Hawken marked St. Louis Percussion Muzzleloader from the 1850s — I Love Muzzleloading

Original S Hawken Full Stock Rifle Photos

www.ilovemuzzleloading.com

IIRC, there is a full stock Hawken in the LDS museum in SLC. But it's been well over 25 years since I was there. They are definitely cool.

 

[HighUintas]

IIRC, there is a full stock Hawken in the LDS museum in SLC. But it's been well over 25 years since I was there. They are definitely cool.

Yes.... That sucker is a big one and crossed the plains many times. 67ish caliber and I think either a 39 or 42" barrel. The barrel is very thick too. I can't imagine shooting it offhand

 

[Olsolitaire1]

Here is that full stock you mention in SLC, John Browns beast of a Hawken 12 lbs., 66 cal or so. I like the wrist repair.

 

[HighUintas]

Here is that full stock you mention in SLC, John Browns beast of a Hawken 12 lbs., 66 cal or so. I like the wrist repair.

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Excuse me, sir, you're using those pictures without permission.

I give you permission haha. I had thought for a time of trying to build a copy of that and went to the museum to check it out. After going in, talking to staff, looking at the case it's in, I figured it's probably not worth the effort it would take to be able to get access to measuring, etc.

 

[Olsolitaire1]

Ha, you caught me was not stealing them just a share, after you mentioned this rifle I went looking for more info found on Americanlongrifles . This is one I have not seen yet, on the list for this summer. Seen Kits, Bridgers and Modiena rifles. You should have shared !

 

[HighUintas]

Ha, you caught me was not stealing them just a share, after you mentioned this rifle I went looking for more info found on Americanlongrifles . This is one I have not seen yet, on the list for this summer. Seen Kits, Bridgers and Modiena rifles. You should have shared !

Haha I'm just giving you a hard time. I don't care one bit and am happy they get shared by others. I love researching Hawken rifles and the more information out there the better!

I thought I'd put those pictures up on rokslide at one point, but maybe not. There's not as big an interest in this stuff here so it doesn't seem to come up much.

 

[RockAndSage]

Haha I'm just giving you a hard time. I don't care one bit and am happy they get shared by others. I love researching Hawken rifles and the more information out there the better!

I thought I'd put those pictures up on rokslide at one point, but maybe not. There's not as big an interest in this stuff here so it doesn't seem to come up much.

Where did he get the photos from? You have them published somewhere? I'd love to see more.

 

[HighUintas]

Where did he get the photos from? You have them published somewhere? I'd love to see more.

I visited the museum since I live nearby and took those pictures and then posted them on ALR forum. There is another longrifle in the museum, but I can't remember the makers name. I believe he was from Illinois and migrated over with fellow Mormons in 1847. It was a nice rifle, albeit much smaller than John Brown's cannon. I'll post all the pictures I have shortly.

 

[HighUintas]

@RockAndSage , here's the link to my folder. I no longer have them on my phone.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/147qJDbAxLen5K9kTcJ8DtnZsyR7erKOZ

I have some more pictures of a couple guns made by Phillip Creamer, a fantastic gun maker that was in Kaskaskia, IL and then STL later. He made a rifle for William Clark and a set of dueling pistols for John C Calhoun. I can't publicly share those pictures, but PM me if you want to see them. The picturea are of the original W Clark rifle and a copy in progress done by the late Louie Parker.

 

[Olsolitaire1]

I think that posting this sort of information on original rifles and of us that shoot and hunt traditional rifles can be helpful to those wanting the truth and seeing that traditional muzzleloaders can do the job for a swift clean kill on any game.

The Phillip Creamer rifle you speak of is a work of art. Images can be found on Frontier Partisans site, Contemporary Makers site and others if one does their search. Also here link to site https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=49624.0,

 

[Olsolitaire1]

Now back to big Hawkens, Teddy Roosevelt was bigger than John Browns!

Hawken Rifle Owned by Teddy Roosevelt, Kit Carson Up for Auction

When Teddy Roosevelt famously advised foreign policy wonks to “speak softly and carry a big stick,” he may have been thinking of this rifle. This giant, .70-caliber Hawken rifle was not only owned by the president who founded the Boone & Crockett Club, hunted for the Smithsonian, and launched the...

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[LP5000]

Not many full stock around

S. Hawken St. Louis Signed Full-Stock Percussion Rifle

Extremely Rare and Desirable S. Hawken St. Louis Signed Full-Stock Percussion RifleThe famous Hawken brothers, Jacob (1786-1849) and Samuel Hawken (1792-1884), remain among the most renowned names in American muzzleloading history. They were active together in St. Louis starting in 1825 and have...

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Beautiful!